Post by Dave on Oct 16, 2009 18:37:22 GMT
Just what are we doing?
I do have an answer to that question; we are all together writing what really is an historical document and one that will be read over and over again for years to come, together we capture this moment in time in our clubs history.
When you just take a look at what is a new board our history room, it already has so much great information put in there by the likes of Jon, Barton Downs and merse. Look at the great programmes that timbo brings us; just where you can read programmes from 1948.
Our match day room has all this seasons game together and in the order they were played, there is also a sub board that has all last seasons match day threads all in order and so easy to go and find a match thread you may want to read again.
When this season is finished a new sub board will be added, all this seasons match day threads will be moved into it and the main match day room will be then be empty, all ready for next season.
I expect in ten years time some new member then who has a few hours to spare, might want to read some very old threads on here. I bet they will laugh if they find a thread where we had a fall out as we do sometimes. But by the time he got to the end of that thread, he would have learned that we can say we are sorry and shake hands and get back to our normal posting.
It’s been really great to see some members make their first posts this week and I hope many more will take the plunge and start sharing their views with us all on the TFF.
One poster who is new to us but one we know well and whose views we respect and for a while it looked like he was going to win the best poster award and that was keyberrygull, but he was beaten by a few votes in the end by a poster who is not new to winning the award.
This weeks winner has explained why he chooses to post only on the TFF and boy are we glad he does, a very intelligent young man who’s post are always a joy to read.
This weeks winner is Chris Hayes, well done Chris and sorry you lose the pink again.
A few posts made by Chris this week
Post one great match report(photos not added but can be seen on thread)
Well, I wasn't going to go but at 11am yesterday I felt that I should. I managed to get to Meadow Lane from West London in a little over two hours despite Hanger Lane gyratory being clogged, the approach to IKEA being rammed and some dozy pillock in a Mercedes Estate who had managed to wrap his car around a bus shelter on the approach to the M1. I also seemed to be speaking Finnish when I asked some guy in the petrol station at Leicester Forest East for "Cashback".
So I got to Meadow Lane after passing the nearby Trent Bridge Cricket Ground which looked far more impressive than it did on my last visit to Nottingham back in 1995 and then past the City Ground where in the same year I was witness to a Forest v Man City match where the woeful city (Kinkladze excepted) managed to lose 3-0 to a Forest side which had Jason Lee and Andrea Silenzi up front. I parked for 3 quid in the cattle market and made my way down the road to the Jimmy Sirrel stand. 20 quid to get in was a bit steep. Considering the cash they have in reserve it’s a bit of a cheek to charge fans so much.
Contrary to the Meadow Lane guide on the usually excellent www.footballgroundguide.com I found that the stewards were quite relaxed and very friendly. Apparently they'd had Port Vale there recently and they caused a bit of bother and some damage.
Their fans, were reasonably vocal, housed to our right, and sang a few rousing songs, plus that song Liverpool nicked from Celtic and then included a few rallying cries of "You Pies!", to which I instantly thought "bugger off, I haven't eaten any for ages!". They got behind their side in a big way from kick off and soon looked dangerous. The referee set the tone after a couple of minutes by giving a foul on Lee Hughes after Hughes flung himself to the floor like he'd trodden on a mine. Both he and Luke Rodgers (another vile little toe-rag) looked dangerous and there were a few danger signs before Hughes stole in and had a free header to which Poke made an excellent reflex save. Poke had gone spare twice before as both attackers looked to exploit the space in between our three centre halves.
We can argue about both their goals. The Linesman seemed not to be giving Notts County forwards offside unless the ball made it though to them. All he was doing was to keep not giving offside when they were and for us to half volley it clear straight back to them. The first goal was offside. There were two of them in an offside position. You have to say that Westcarr took his chance superbly though. Nothing Poke could do about that.
I had a horrible sinking feeling. Usually when you play at a bigger club and they 1-0 up it becomes a little reminiscent of throwing Christians to the lions but I thought we weathered the storm quite well and started to create a couple of half chances, nothing clear-cut, though just enough to suggest that Schmeichel junior might be a bit iffy against crosses and their centre halves might be a bit on the ponderous side.
The second goal came from a free kick which should never have been awarded. Lovely free kick mind you but it’s a bit annoying to think that Notts County needed any more help. After they scored we looked quite threatening and we deservedly pulled one back. As the half time whistle blew it was like that scene in Rocky 4 when Rocky Balboa had just managed to belt Ivan Drago one in the chops for the first time in the fight and realised he could hurt him!
The second half there was only one team in it. Everybody stepped him their game. Thompson had a fine second half as did Hargreaves which in turn afforded Nicky Wroe a bit more time to run things a little bit more. The front two looked cohesive and the back 3 were solid with Charnock getting the measure of Hughes. Nicholson, barracked for being a "County reject" by the home fans, put in a string of dangerous free kicks, crosses and throw-ins into the box. Schmeichel junior flapped at everything, with Mark Ellis looking like he would score almost every time. He should have done from the cross of the match from Thompson. He headed wide. I groaned and wondered if we'd get a better chance. I needn't have worried. A few minutes later a Nicholson corner made Schmeichel flap again and Sills benefited from the mayhem caused by Ellis. Their fans then started to walk out in disgust. Buckle continued to gesture from the touchlines for all the big men to get in the box for any subsequent throw in or set piece.
There was a brief moment or two down the other end. A cross cum shot hit the post and Poke saved well from a Hughes shot towards the end.
So 2-2. Honours even. Would I have taken 2-2 before the game? Yes. 2-2 at half time? Probably yes. But at full time there was a slight tinge of disappointment that we didn't sneak a richly deserved winner. But its another step in right direction. If the boys keep playing with the effort show in the second half with our new formation I think we'll be moving up the table sooner rather than later.
MOTM? I thought they were all splendid in the second half. I wouldn't argue if anyone said Mark Ellis deserved it, although Charnock and Thompson were also excellent. Fair play also to Sills for failing to react to intense provocation from that Scumbag Hughes who tried to get the yellow carded Sills sent off by falling to the ground and looking like he'd just been gang raped in the prison showers. Serving 3 years out of the 6 given to him by the judge doesn't seem right to me when causing death and serious injury by being drunk and then fleeing from the scene.
Post two
I would say that there is a requirement for some moderation on forums. Lets face it there are parallels between moderation and what's been discussed recently on the thread about stewarding at matches.
Yes, there must be rules and regulations governing acceptable behaviour but it is how they get enforced and how pro-actively moderators moderate comments and deal with unacceptable behaviour. Being branded publicly with a "yellow card" I think starts a cycle of injustice with the person who has received the card and then other posters almost seemed to target the poster with the yellow card. The problem with the other site and why I decided not to post on there anymore is that the more pro-active moderators featured very heavily in the some threads. How could a moderator, actually moderate comments and posters with impartiality when they were quite involved with the thread? Towards the end the moderators were actually being targeted themselves by disgruntled posters on yellow cards". It was a case that yellow card = "troublemaker" and moderator = "whiter than white".
If you start treating people like kids they will always act like kids. Its the same for stewarding. Should I at the ripe old age of 34 get the arse because someone won't trust me not to fill a coke bottle top with coins and lob it at a player? Of course I shouldn't, but I do. How dare some 14 year old acne infested oik in a kiosk think that I could even possibly contemplate doing something so stupid? I'm being treated like a child and a possible hooligan because I want to keep my coke fizzy for the duration of my choice. I have to carry a spare bottle top now so I can still have this choice! Of course I'm being childish thinking in this way. The 14 year oik doesn't think I'm a hooligan he's just been told not to leave the top on the bottle.
My personal experience with moderation has been pretty much ok I have to admit. On dot net Southampton Gull PM'd me a couple of times to let me know that i'd written something stupid which I rightly shouldn't have posted. That was fair enough I thought, as people got yellow carded for less. My dear friend got yellow carded for calling Brucie a knut and Brucie didn't get a yellow for calling me a twerp. My friend was fully justified in what he said I thought (a thread about an ex player of ours getting stabbed), and I did bugger all to be called a twerp. The sense of injustice I felt I can tell you. I also remember Dave R on here staying up late to make sure that a public discussion between myself and Sean Melhuish, over a comment I made on .net a couple of months earlier about him not being fit to be a sponsor of our club, didn't get too personal.
I prefer to post on here because I don't feel as though its being influenced so pro-actively, if at all, by moderation. Most people on here understand where the line is when it comes to what to post and how they should phrase it. Every site has its good posters and bad posters, ours is in Thailand and the .net basket case comes from North Devon.
But we all love Torquay United but we mustn't let that passion for our little club boil over into taking things far too seriously. I do wish Mr Merson would return to the fold with his charging horse and his emboldened words to which he wants us to pay particular attention!
His blog is very good by the way.
I do have an answer to that question; we are all together writing what really is an historical document and one that will be read over and over again for years to come, together we capture this moment in time in our clubs history.
When you just take a look at what is a new board our history room, it already has so much great information put in there by the likes of Jon, Barton Downs and merse. Look at the great programmes that timbo brings us; just where you can read programmes from 1948.
Our match day room has all this seasons game together and in the order they were played, there is also a sub board that has all last seasons match day threads all in order and so easy to go and find a match thread you may want to read again.
When this season is finished a new sub board will be added, all this seasons match day threads will be moved into it and the main match day room will be then be empty, all ready for next season.
I expect in ten years time some new member then who has a few hours to spare, might want to read some very old threads on here. I bet they will laugh if they find a thread where we had a fall out as we do sometimes. But by the time he got to the end of that thread, he would have learned that we can say we are sorry and shake hands and get back to our normal posting.
It’s been really great to see some members make their first posts this week and I hope many more will take the plunge and start sharing their views with us all on the TFF.
One poster who is new to us but one we know well and whose views we respect and for a while it looked like he was going to win the best poster award and that was keyberrygull, but he was beaten by a few votes in the end by a poster who is not new to winning the award.
This weeks winner has explained why he chooses to post only on the TFF and boy are we glad he does, a very intelligent young man who’s post are always a joy to read.
This weeks winner is Chris Hayes, well done Chris and sorry you lose the pink again.
A few posts made by Chris this week
Post one great match report(photos not added but can be seen on thread)
Well, I wasn't going to go but at 11am yesterday I felt that I should. I managed to get to Meadow Lane from West London in a little over two hours despite Hanger Lane gyratory being clogged, the approach to IKEA being rammed and some dozy pillock in a Mercedes Estate who had managed to wrap his car around a bus shelter on the approach to the M1. I also seemed to be speaking Finnish when I asked some guy in the petrol station at Leicester Forest East for "Cashback".
So I got to Meadow Lane after passing the nearby Trent Bridge Cricket Ground which looked far more impressive than it did on my last visit to Nottingham back in 1995 and then past the City Ground where in the same year I was witness to a Forest v Man City match where the woeful city (Kinkladze excepted) managed to lose 3-0 to a Forest side which had Jason Lee and Andrea Silenzi up front. I parked for 3 quid in the cattle market and made my way down the road to the Jimmy Sirrel stand. 20 quid to get in was a bit steep. Considering the cash they have in reserve it’s a bit of a cheek to charge fans so much.
Contrary to the Meadow Lane guide on the usually excellent www.footballgroundguide.com I found that the stewards were quite relaxed and very friendly. Apparently they'd had Port Vale there recently and they caused a bit of bother and some damage.
Their fans, were reasonably vocal, housed to our right, and sang a few rousing songs, plus that song Liverpool nicked from Celtic and then included a few rallying cries of "You Pies!", to which I instantly thought "bugger off, I haven't eaten any for ages!". They got behind their side in a big way from kick off and soon looked dangerous. The referee set the tone after a couple of minutes by giving a foul on Lee Hughes after Hughes flung himself to the floor like he'd trodden on a mine. Both he and Luke Rodgers (another vile little toe-rag) looked dangerous and there were a few danger signs before Hughes stole in and had a free header to which Poke made an excellent reflex save. Poke had gone spare twice before as both attackers looked to exploit the space in between our three centre halves.
We can argue about both their goals. The Linesman seemed not to be giving Notts County forwards offside unless the ball made it though to them. All he was doing was to keep not giving offside when they were and for us to half volley it clear straight back to them. The first goal was offside. There were two of them in an offside position. You have to say that Westcarr took his chance superbly though. Nothing Poke could do about that.
I had a horrible sinking feeling. Usually when you play at a bigger club and they 1-0 up it becomes a little reminiscent of throwing Christians to the lions but I thought we weathered the storm quite well and started to create a couple of half chances, nothing clear-cut, though just enough to suggest that Schmeichel junior might be a bit iffy against crosses and their centre halves might be a bit on the ponderous side.
The second goal came from a free kick which should never have been awarded. Lovely free kick mind you but it’s a bit annoying to think that Notts County needed any more help. After they scored we looked quite threatening and we deservedly pulled one back. As the half time whistle blew it was like that scene in Rocky 4 when Rocky Balboa had just managed to belt Ivan Drago one in the chops for the first time in the fight and realised he could hurt him!
The second half there was only one team in it. Everybody stepped him their game. Thompson had a fine second half as did Hargreaves which in turn afforded Nicky Wroe a bit more time to run things a little bit more. The front two looked cohesive and the back 3 were solid with Charnock getting the measure of Hughes. Nicholson, barracked for being a "County reject" by the home fans, put in a string of dangerous free kicks, crosses and throw-ins into the box. Schmeichel junior flapped at everything, with Mark Ellis looking like he would score almost every time. He should have done from the cross of the match from Thompson. He headed wide. I groaned and wondered if we'd get a better chance. I needn't have worried. A few minutes later a Nicholson corner made Schmeichel flap again and Sills benefited from the mayhem caused by Ellis. Their fans then started to walk out in disgust. Buckle continued to gesture from the touchlines for all the big men to get in the box for any subsequent throw in or set piece.
There was a brief moment or two down the other end. A cross cum shot hit the post and Poke saved well from a Hughes shot towards the end.
So 2-2. Honours even. Would I have taken 2-2 before the game? Yes. 2-2 at half time? Probably yes. But at full time there was a slight tinge of disappointment that we didn't sneak a richly deserved winner. But its another step in right direction. If the boys keep playing with the effort show in the second half with our new formation I think we'll be moving up the table sooner rather than later.
MOTM? I thought they were all splendid in the second half. I wouldn't argue if anyone said Mark Ellis deserved it, although Charnock and Thompson were also excellent. Fair play also to Sills for failing to react to intense provocation from that Scumbag Hughes who tried to get the yellow carded Sills sent off by falling to the ground and looking like he'd just been gang raped in the prison showers. Serving 3 years out of the 6 given to him by the judge doesn't seem right to me when causing death and serious injury by being drunk and then fleeing from the scene.
Post two
I would say that there is a requirement for some moderation on forums. Lets face it there are parallels between moderation and what's been discussed recently on the thread about stewarding at matches.
Yes, there must be rules and regulations governing acceptable behaviour but it is how they get enforced and how pro-actively moderators moderate comments and deal with unacceptable behaviour. Being branded publicly with a "yellow card" I think starts a cycle of injustice with the person who has received the card and then other posters almost seemed to target the poster with the yellow card. The problem with the other site and why I decided not to post on there anymore is that the more pro-active moderators featured very heavily in the some threads. How could a moderator, actually moderate comments and posters with impartiality when they were quite involved with the thread? Towards the end the moderators were actually being targeted themselves by disgruntled posters on yellow cards". It was a case that yellow card = "troublemaker" and moderator = "whiter than white".
If you start treating people like kids they will always act like kids. Its the same for stewarding. Should I at the ripe old age of 34 get the arse because someone won't trust me not to fill a coke bottle top with coins and lob it at a player? Of course I shouldn't, but I do. How dare some 14 year old acne infested oik in a kiosk think that I could even possibly contemplate doing something so stupid? I'm being treated like a child and a possible hooligan because I want to keep my coke fizzy for the duration of my choice. I have to carry a spare bottle top now so I can still have this choice! Of course I'm being childish thinking in this way. The 14 year oik doesn't think I'm a hooligan he's just been told not to leave the top on the bottle.
My personal experience with moderation has been pretty much ok I have to admit. On dot net Southampton Gull PM'd me a couple of times to let me know that i'd written something stupid which I rightly shouldn't have posted. That was fair enough I thought, as people got yellow carded for less. My dear friend got yellow carded for calling Brucie a knut and Brucie didn't get a yellow for calling me a twerp. My friend was fully justified in what he said I thought (a thread about an ex player of ours getting stabbed), and I did bugger all to be called a twerp. The sense of injustice I felt I can tell you. I also remember Dave R on here staying up late to make sure that a public discussion between myself and Sean Melhuish, over a comment I made on .net a couple of months earlier about him not being fit to be a sponsor of our club, didn't get too personal.
I prefer to post on here because I don't feel as though its being influenced so pro-actively, if at all, by moderation. Most people on here understand where the line is when it comes to what to post and how they should phrase it. Every site has its good posters and bad posters, ours is in Thailand and the .net basket case comes from North Devon.
But we all love Torquay United but we mustn't let that passion for our little club boil over into taking things far too seriously. I do wish Mr Merson would return to the fold with his charging horse and his emboldened words to which he wants us to pay particular attention!
His blog is very good by the way.