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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2009 18:26:14 GMT
The name of Jim Fryatt - TUFC striker from March 1967 to October 1967 (and again briefly in 1974) - cropped up at the carvery yesterday, notably in conversation with evertoned (a long-time admirer of the man). Here thanks to www.neilbrown.newcastlefans.com/player/jimfryatt.htm is a synopsis of the great man's career: JIM FRYATT Born: Southampton d.o.b: 2 September 1940 Position: Centre Forward Charlton Athletic 59-60 5 (3) Southend United 60-63 61 (24) Bradford Park Avenue 63-66 101 (38) Southport 65-67 39 (15) Torquay United 66-68 27 (11) Stockport County 67-69 45 (28) Blackburn Rovers 68-70 37 (5) Oldham Athletic 69-72 76 (40) Southport 71-74 104 (24) Stockport County 74-75 1 (1) Torquay United 74-75 3 (0) to Hartford Bicentennials(USA) Total 499 (189) League appearances (league goals in brackets). Jim Fryatt would have been described as "much travelled" and, judging by who he played for, I'd always imagined him to be a northern-born player. Consequently, many years later, I was surprised to learn he originated from Southampton. I dare say he was fondly remembered wherever he played. See this report from the Stockport Express as an example: www.stockportexpress.co.uk/sport/s/307/307091_pancho_back_on_familiar_territory.htmlAnd, deep in the memories of those 500 league games, there's the claim that - in 1964 - he scored after four seconds for Bradford Park Avenue against Tranmere. A picture from Jim Fryatt's 1967 spell at Plainmoor (thanks to the Herald Express's centenary supplement): There's plenty of interest in that picture and it would be good to hear of people's memories of Fryatt's time at the club and how news of his departure to Stockport County was greeted. Oddly, in addtion to half-recalling those 1967 days, there's a strange association between Jim Fryatt and my first term at university. Not only did just about every lower division supporter I met - be they from Southport, Stockport or Oldham - support one of Fryatt's old clubs (with an instant recall of him) but when I eventually got round to seeing an away game - at Barnsley in December - Jim Fryatt was back in our colours. His return - to be honest - can best be described as "inauspicious" but, nonetheless, we won that day:
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Post by Jon on Nov 2, 2009 0:03:36 GMT
It was Philadelphia Atoms that Jim Fryatt and Andy Provan played together for in the NASL in 1973 and 1974. Atoms won the title in 73 with Fryatt and Provan both included in the "NASL All-Star Team". Loads of stuff available on google. www.nasljerseys.com/Rosters/Atoms_Rosters.htmwww.philadelphiaatoms.com/history2.htmhome.att.net/~nasl/all-stars.htmThose all-star teams are brilliant. I see our Barry Lynch (no relation to Bet) was a near-miss in 1971. That is our John Rowlands taking Fryatt's place in the 1974 team, before losing his place to Pele in the 1975 team. Bruce Rioch is there in 1980 alongside a couple of blokes called Beckenbauer and Cruyff.
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Post by frankfurt gull on Jan 19, 2010 20:20:34 GMT
those were the days, tony scott on the left wing and jim fryatt nodding in his crosses. our chant from the mini-stand: come on without, come on within, youve not seen nothing like our big jim!
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Post by merse on Jan 20, 2010 3:48:06 GMT
James Edward Fryatt: the finest header of a football I ever did see ( Tim Sills' Wembley winner was trade mark run of the mill stuff from Big Jim), the only player I have ever seen score a goal in a professional football match with his head from outside the penalty area; and father of professional golfer Edward Fryatt. Such a shame for us fans that he came to depart Plainmoor in a hurry due to personal issues (and no, StuartB; don't detail them please) and a pity that he ever came back to play as a shadow of himself in a second spell in a struggling team. It was strange, but in the days when he first signed for us he was known as just about the only professional footballer who sported a beard, and certainly the only one I recall having one in those days would have been Jimmy Hill who had retired some 6 years previously. Disappointingly, for us boys who cared about such things; Big Jim took the opportunity of a move south from Southport to shave it off and so appeared in his debut for us in a pair of gigantic "Mutton Chop" side burns..................nevertheless he still had that "Piratical" look about him and rendered opposing defences as shaky as if they were facing up to being boarded at cutlass point ~ especially once genius winger Tony Scott was esconsed in the side for his pin point crossing, and sometimes the little man would sensationally cross with the outside of his inside foot whilst on the run down either wing in order to get that ball in that split second earlier ~ another hugely individualistic character! "Come on without, Come on within; You've ain't seen nuthin' like The mighty Jim"
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Post by teignmouth54 on Aug 7, 2013 15:29:41 GMT
A Torquay United reserves programme recently listed on ebay requests supporters to help the club pay the transfer fee for Jim Fryatt by attending their two home games over the Easter holiday. Jim made his debut for Torquay on Saturday, 4 March 1967, and celebrated by scoring the first two goals in the 5-1 win over Workington.
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Post by teignmouth54 on Aug 7, 2013 16:54:45 GMT
I remember seeing Jim Fryatt’s debut for Torquay United against Workington on Saturday, 4 March 1967, when he scored the first two goals in Torquay’s 5-1 victory. He also laid on a goal for Robin Stubbs, whose expression clearly indicated his pleasure in finding the quality striking partner he had lacked since the departure of Tommy Northcott.
The partnership might not have arisen as the programme notes for the Workington match state that an offer was made by Swindon Town for Robin Stubbs, and other clubs, including Brighton, were interested in signing him.
Torquay now had an excellent forward line and in 1967/68 they soared to the top of division 3 with an unbeaten run of 10 matches. Unfortunately, Fryatt was unsettled and moved to Stockport County in October 1967 having scored only 2 goals in 13 league games. However, he did score six goals in five league cup matches.
He quickly recovered his scoring form with Stockport and finished the season with 22 goals from 32 league matches. If only he had scored these goals for Torquay we would surely have secured promotion. Our leading scorer for the 1967/68 season was Robin Stubbs and he only managed nine league goals.
Fryatt’s goals helped Stockport become genuine promotion challengers and they visited Plainmoor on Saturday 9 March 1968. Debutant Trevor Shepherd gave Torquay an early lead with an excellent right foot shot and soon afterwards Fryatt had a great opportunity to equalise when he broke clear with only goalkeeper Andy Donnelly to beat. Donnelly advanced towards the edge of the penalty area to narrow the angle only for Fryatt to lob the ball over him. I was standing behind the goal at the Babbacombe end, and it looked for the entire world that the ball would land in the net. Fortunately, it hit the bar and Donnelly gratefully gathered the rebound. Torquay went on to win 3-0 and Stockport’s challenge floundered.
At the time of Fryatt’s departure, it was widely reported that he was unsettled in the Torquay area but it would appear there may have been further problems according to the posting by Merse on 20 January 2010. I would be pleased to know what the situation was and wonder whether Stuart can reveal more. Merse states this has been discussed several times before but I can find no reference.
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Post by Jon on Aug 7, 2013 21:42:00 GMT
At the time of Fryatt’s departure, it was widely reported that he was unsettled in the Torquay area but it would appear there may have been further problems according to the posting by Merse on 20 January 2010. I would be pleased to know what the situation was and wonder whether Stuart can reveal more. Merse states this has been discussed several times before but I can find no reference. Some great stuff there and I love the reserve team programme - do I spot THREE international players in our reserve team? I found Merse mentioning Fryatt in a post quoted below. I think he was more digging at Stu for querying the behaviour of contemporary players and managers rather than hinting he knew about Fryatt. I don't know anything about "off the field indiscretions" but I am sure I have been told (possibly by Robin Stubbs, but I'm not sure) that Fryatt did not do any chasing around or closing down at all in his last appearance - a 5-0 drubbing at Shrewsbury. O'Farrell had him in the office the next day and Fryatt was gone just like that. It wasn't told as a dig at Fryatt but an illustration of how nobody messed with Mr O'Farrell and got away with it. You're absolutely correct about the need for a manager to be strong, and in my experience some of our better managers have been amongst the more unpopular with larger percentages of the squad than other less successful ones. Speak to players who played under Frank O'Farrell and you will hear plenty of them say that although they didn't exactly like the way he managed them they respected it AND he produced results. Hands up those of you who remember how popular the charismatic "pirate" Jim Fryatt was with the Plainmoor faithful and how his arse hardly touched the ground when FO'F had him out for off the field indiscretions. Bruce Rioch too was a very hard task master and could be really withering of players who failed to live up to his personal standards of professionalism and discipline, and don't even mention Cyril Knowles..................cross that man and you were history I tell you. In a nutshell they were hard men who drove a hard bargain, but they were winners and they would to a degree forgive a certain lack of finesse as long as it was compensated for with an equal amount in exchange of effort and determination. In my opinion, that is exactly the mold that Paul Buckle is out of. He's not here to be Mr Popular, he's here to be Mr Successful and he can't be the latter without a certain degree of mental toughness and strong focus on the job in hand. Should he fail, he knows it is HIS job on the line, HIS remuneration, HIS means of paying HIS mortgage and supporting HIS family. History tells us that managerial failures at OUR out of the way club are in reality the end of the road as far as the management game goes and if I were Paul Buckle I'm buggered if I'd sit idly by and see the poor attitudes of people like Lee Phillips, Simon Rayner, Steve Woods or Roscoe Dsane weaken or dissolve the general resolve and will to win of the squad as a whole and thus send my job down the toilet!
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Post by Jon on Aug 7, 2013 22:11:25 GMT
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Post by teignmouth54 on Aug 8, 2013 8:59:23 GMT
Many thanks, Jon, for your excellent replies. As for the THREE international players, I can name Dermot Curtis (Republic of Ireland 17 caps) and John Evans (international bowls) but I am stumped on number three. Did Gary McGuire represent Australia during his stay there? I note your comments regarding Jim Fryatt and Frank O'Farrell. It was galling that Fryatt did so well for Stockport during the remainder of the season. That was a bad week for Torquay as they lost 5-1 to Bury on the Saturday and 5-0 to Shrewsbury on the following Wednesday. As I recall Frank O'Farrell also dropped goalkeeper John Dunn following these defeats and replaced him with Andy Donnelly. Ironically, Dunn then enjoyed some success with Aston Villa. I post below a copy of the Workington 66-7 programme giving details of Swindon's pursuit of Robin Stubbs, who is also the personality of the week. I also include the Darlington 66-7 programme in which the question is whether the inside forward trio of John Smith, Jim Fryatt and Robin Stubbs, is Torquay's best ever? It was certainly a formidable trio, if only for a short period. torquayfans.boards.net/thread/8884/workington-04-03-67torquayfans.boards.net/thread/5023/torquay-united-darlington-11-03I would also like to take this opportunity to praise the TFF Programmes Room, and in particular, Timbo, for his time and effort in posting copies of so many Torquay United programmes, including the above two.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 9:39:18 GMT
I'm taking the third international to be John Knapman who played for England Youth as a Torquay United player.
Strictly speaking Knapman played for England's amateur youth XI in the days when there were separate fixtures for amateurs and professionals. I'm sure we've previously discussed how Knapman went on to have a decent career as a semi-professional footballer in the South East.
I suspect John Knapman was a Torquay BGS lower sixth former at the time of that reserve game. Later, when he was in the upper sixth and I was in the first year, it was quite an event when he played for England. I've always assumed he left the area in 1968 either to go to university or move away to further his career. I did a bit of online research about John Knapman a while back and wondered if he was the person of the same name who was involved in local politics in Essex.
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Post by Jon on Aug 8, 2013 22:22:16 GMT
I would also like to take this opportunity to praise the TFF Programmes Room, and in particular, Timbo, for his time and effort in posting copies of so many Torquay United programmes, including the above two. No arguments form me there. Timbo is a star.
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Post by Jon on Aug 8, 2013 22:24:08 GMT
As for the THREE international players, I can name Dermot Curtis (Republic of Ireland 17 caps) and John Evans (international bowls) but I am stumped on number three. I'm taking the third international to be John Knapman who played for England Youth as a Torquay United player Yes - Curtis, Evans and Knapman.
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 9, 2013 20:06:17 GMT
Funny enough, after getting married in April 1967, my father in law moved to Stockport and was a season ticket holder for two years there and remembers Jim Fryatt well.
He used to come out of Stockport matches saying never again (sound familiar anyone?) and recalls Fryatt as a bit of a saviour, certainty turning their season around. His comment was a great header of the ball but not good with ball at feet.
There is a Matty Fryatt plying his trade for Hull City (tigers) in the championship. Anyone know if he is any relation?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 7:23:55 GMT
Absolutely no idea if there's a link between Jim and Matty Fryatt. Jim originated from Southampton, Matty from Nuneaton so you can't easily get a hint of a connection from that information.
But is Jim related to Captain Charles Fryatt, a Southampton man who used his ship to ram a U-boat in 1915?
Captain Fryatt's middle name was Algernon. Now that's a name I'm sure I've heard in a Torquay United context.
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Post by chelstongull on Aug 10, 2013 8:15:54 GMT
Captain Fryatt's middle name was Algernon. Now that's a name I'm sure I've heard in a Torquay United context. It's Jon's middle name (well, at least one of them).
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