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Post by Jon on Nov 20, 2009 19:37:55 GMT
there was another game around the mid fifties that was played at queens park in paignton between either an army eleven or combined services versus devon. i remember the publicity at the time because it featured the return of tommy northcott to devon since he was transferred to cardiff in the first div. Monday 5 April 1954 Paignton Round Table Charity Match at Queen's Park, Paignton Attendance 2,500 Torquay United 5 (Dobbie, Fewings, Mills, Thomas, Lloyd) Army XI 1 (Mulholland) (Half-time 2-0) TORQUAY Wakeham Drinkwater Smith Lewis Webber Lloyd Fewings Dougan Dobbie Mills Thomas ARMY XI Heath (Bournemouth) Brown (Hibs) Gilchrist (Aldershot) Mitchell (Arsenal) Fotherham (Arsenal) Popple (Arsenal) Cullum (Colchester) Whittle (Hearts) Northcott (Cardiff) Griffiths (Swansea) Mulholland (Southampton) The Army team that took to the field was quite different to the one listed in the paper beforehand: Heath (Bournemouth) Gunter (Portsmouth) Gilchrist (Aldershot) Rutter (Portsmouth) Fotherham (Arsenal) Brown (Hibs) Barrowcliffe (Notts County) Bloomfield (Brentford) Hines (Leicester) Griffiths (Swansea) Blunstone (Chelsea)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2009 23:31:18 GMT
Amongst those who were billed to play - but didn't - Frank Blunstone of Chelsea - later manager of Brentford and coach at a number of clubs - was to make his England debut against Wales at Wembley just seven months later. Similarly, just a couple of months later Jimmy Bloomfield was to leave Brentford for Arsenal. He later managed Leyton Orient and Leicester (where he replaced Frank O'Farrell).
In those days of National Service, Army XIs were potentially big time stuff and - on occasions - virtually amounted to a GB Under-23 XI. I believe the Army played strong Scotland XIs at Hampden Park in the 1950s as well as FA XIs made up of league players.
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Post by Budleigh on Nov 21, 2009 10:24:28 GMT
I have a great 'Army' programme for a friendly v TUFC which i'll try and find time to post over the weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2009 11:05:13 GMT
A brief conversation with Jon on Saturday about that Army XI has sent me in the direction of Neil Brown’s site and Barry Hugman’s 1946-2005 book of player records. The side which was listed to play was probably rather stronger than the one which actually appeared. Together with Blunstone and Bloomfield - as mentioned above – there would have been Derek Hines (who was to play 300 games for Leicester) Cyril Rutter (171 league games for Pompey) and possibly Phil Gunter, Portsmouth and England U23/England B (although a David Gunter was also on Portsmouth's books at the time). Of the team that did play, Bill Heath played over a hundred league games in goal for Bournemouth and Lincoln whilst Jim Fotheringham appeared seventy-odd times for Arsenal. Bob Gilchrist and John Mulholland were both Scottish and may have moved south for National Service. Jimmy Whittle had a reasonable career at Hearts (and later Ayr) and it might be Jock Brown (Hibs, Third Lanark, Tranmere and Hartlepools) at right back. Cullum appears to have been Colchester-born – as opposed to a serviceman posted there – and I suspect it might have been Harry Griffiths who played 400 games for Swansea and won a Welsh cap (but with him playing out of position – and Griffiths being a relatively common name in those parts – it’s hard to be certain). If it's the man, Harry Griffiths later managed the Swans and was still working for the club when he died in the Vetch treatment room at the age of forty-seven. That leaves the Arsenal players – Mitchell and Popple – of whom Jon was particularly interested. Neither ever played a Football League game for Arsenal – or any other club for that matter. Were they Scottish too? Or did they become senior amateur or semi-professional players? Overall, if I’ve got the right players, it looks like they were all born between 1929 and 1935 with Jimmy Whittle being the oldest (coming up to twenty-five) and Jock Brown the youngest at a few days past his nineteenth birthday. It can only be surmised that the majority were on compulsory National Service which continued to draft individuals until 1960 (the last trickle of demobs being in 1963). In a football sense this meant the Army XI began to weaken after the early 1960s although there was still time to give the official Scotland Under 23 team a close game in 1961. And, judging by several programmes being for sale on e-bay, it appears that Argyle regularly played army teams:
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Post by phipsy on Dec 8, 2009 13:00:06 GMT
this site is superb. it was only in my distant memory regarding that army game at queens park paignton in the fifties. what do we get not only the listed teams but the actual teams that played. the attendance and history of players involved, well done everyone . incidentally i wonder if that was the last game of soccer played at queens park being the home of paignton rugby and cricket teams. it was interesting to see the torquay line up. it was probably the first game peter wakeham played for the chiefs,albeit a friendly. he went on to be on the bench for england under 23 team while still a torquay player. although there were no subs. in those days. the under 23 team in that era was a big deal and most of the players went on to play for the full england team.
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Post by merse on Dec 8, 2009 14:58:42 GMT
incidentally i wonder if that was the last game of soccer played at queens park being the home of paignton rugby and cricket teams. When the Torbay Sunday Combination started up in the sixties or seventies they played their knock out Cup Final there and the crowd was massive. One of the competing clubs was Foxhole based Tom Cobley FC who played in green and yellow if I remember correctly.
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Post by sillsunited on Dec 8, 2009 15:18:53 GMT
Merse seeing the Tom Cobley team being mentioned brought back a few happy memories that was my local from when I moved to Paignton to live in 1968 until recently. Watched them on many an occasion and they had some good players who played for them.One of the busiest pubs in the bay at that time when Bob Jones was landlord. Do you remember when they played a charity sunday match at Plainmoor and George Best played for the select XI against them?Can see him now sat in the longue drinking orange squash! Unforunately the Tom Cobley is no more like a lot of other pubs it is now shut and boarded up.
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Post by merse on Dec 8, 2009 16:17:47 GMT
[quote author=sillsunited board=tufchistory thread=3422 Do you remember when they played a charity sunday match at Plainmoor and George Best played for the select XI against them?Can see him now sat in the longue drinking orange squash! Unforunately the Tom Cobley is no more like a lot of other pubs it is now shut and boarded up.[/quote] I lined in that game (anyone got the programme to put up on here?)and actually witnessed his expenses chit with my signature as the money was handed over in cash in our dressing room before the game! Keith Metcalfe reffed and Phil Willer was the other lino. Keith was paranoid that someone would try to make a name for themselves and clatter Bestie and requested Phil and I to look after him and if necessary give any dubious decisions to the great man to which Phil retorted that he wasn't happy getting an instruction that could end up leaving him looking a c**t and I replied in the usual joshing manner of the dressing room that as that what he usually looked when he took a game what was the difference? With that, Best and his manager Bill MacMurdoe knocked on the dressing room door, came in to do the business and Bestie said "don't worry I won't make you look a c**t" ..............he'd heard it all from outside! George Best was brilliant, no airs or graces, full of charm and so polite with it. Happy to stay a while and have a cup of tea. What happened to him was a tragedy and life went full circle for me a while back when I drove his son Callum for MTV. Maybe way past his pinnacle when I got the chance to share a pitch with him, but nevertheless an unforgettable day.
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