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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2009 22:20:31 GMT
The other week we learnt about Merse the Choirmaster leading the Mini Stand in a few saucy renditions that resulted in a stern word of warning in a subsequent programme. I can imagine the ditties in question - they were all the rage at the time - but I wonder when signing and chanting started at Plainmoor?
We’ve certainly seen how, from various 1950s programmes, there was organised community singing at the big Plainmoor occasions with good old Widecombe Fair a regular fixture on the songsheet. I imagine this might have been the case back in the 1930s as well and, maybe, even at the first Football League match back in 1927. But was there any spontaneous signing in those days?
Well, I’ve no idea about the 1930s but I believe it was developing during the 1950s. I’ve seen something about Bristol Rovers supporters picking up Good Night Irene in the early 1950s and Birmingham adopting Keep Right On towards the end of that decade. And, by the time I became interested in football in the mid 1960s, we knew all about Glory, Glory at Spurs, You’ll Never Walk Alone at Liverpool and We Shall Not Be Moved at Everton.
But what of football songs themselves? I’ve a feeling that, for a long time, it didn’t extend much beyond 2-4-6-8 who do we appreciate? and, in the Westcountry, OGGIE, OGGIE, OGGIE. Then, in the mid to late 1960s, there was an explosion of kop choirs based on the Liverpool model and, from memory, the BBC even ran a Kop Choir competition won – I think – by Rotherham.
That, in retrospect was a time of wit and sauciness which soon gave way to the rather more violent lyrics of the skinhead era (forcing Sportsnight With Coleman to move on to more wholesome activities). But, warts and all, that period still seems to the Golden Age of terrace singing and a time of great inventiveness. And, what was true for the game in general, I suspect was also true for Plainmoor.
So what are your memories of songs and chants at Plainmoor? Did you participate - or even lead? When do you think it was at its liveliest? How does it compare now to the past? And, for the older hands, from when does it all date?
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Post by petef on Dec 27, 2009 21:00:48 GMT
My match days or should I say match evenings of the late mid to late sixties and early seventies stood in the middle of a swollen mass of feverish supporters in the said Mini Stand will live with me forever. Always a great atmosphere and the songs were witty, fun and great to sing and chant with today's offerings being pretty poor in comparison. The only draw back in that period of football history was the occasional violence and racist chants that seemed to be fashionably acceptable back then. Thank goodness we have all come to our senses in that regard though I suspect that there are still some would like to turn back the clock. I suspect Merse was a leader of the songs and chants and on occasions I did lead though at 12 or thirteen years of age it was just great to be amongst it. I remember songs like . "If I had the wings of a sparrow" etc "We hate Aston Villa We hate Argyle to"etc "Ogie Ogie Ogie" "Give us a T" "Oh when the Gulls go marching in " "Come on without come on within youl not see nothing like utd win" And loads more I've forgotten!!! but back then the chants and songs would last and not just peter out after a few lines as they so often seem to do now. Ah the Mini Stand, what monstrosity it was but had great acoustics, it was like a giant horn and if you were approaching from Carey park, with Herb Alperts March of the Mods in full swing over an aging tannoy a bit late perhaps at a biggish match you certainly knew that there was going to be a great atmosphere in the ground and particularly from that end. Singing on the half way line always seemed strange to me and I remember going to St James's park during that era and hearing City supporters trying to create an atmosphere on the halfway line - Crazy b*stards** Oh well I suppose football had to clean up its act and thankfully the terraces of Plainmoor became a safer place to be but in the process we also lost something that was very precious and unique .
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Post by merse on Dec 28, 2009 10:41:56 GMT
My match days or should I say match evenings of the late mid to late sixties and early seventies stood in the middle of a swollen mass of feverish supporters in the said Mini Stand will live with me forever. Always a great atmosphere and the songs were witty, fun and great to sing and chant with today's offerings being pretty poor in comparison. The singing of the Mini Standers was almost certainly a manifestation of the need to provide self induced pre-match entertainment because if you didn't get in there early you simply couldn't get in at all! In the early days there was no segregation either so there were occasions when the territory had to be fought for as visiting fans had gathered there in large numbers and I particularly remember (not with any sentimental fondness either) "set toos" with Gasheads from Bristol and fans of Watford, Walsall and Donny Rovers. Surging and swaying was also a fact of life stood at that end and I'm sure we had that magical gift of making our 5'8" goalkeeper Andy Donnelly grow by at least four inches during matches ~ in height that is Toilet rolls would rain down on any unfortunate visiting keeper and woe betide any other visiting player who would request that the ball be returned from the crowd. Quite often we suffered retribution from those rivals when we went on the road and I particularly remember one awful experience at the old Walsall ground at Fellows Park and in the streets surrounding it and the FACTS were that what had started out as tremendous fun and atmospheric Saturday Night Fever metamorphasised into violence and anti social behaviour of an unacceptable nature in later years. Just like the BBCs Kop Choir Competition, it's part of social history now; never to return and as I approach my sixties and view the rather antiseptic nature of the Family Stand that stands in it's place I naturally have a view formed in my head that it was all great fun for us at the time and recall how I would hugely enjoy a running scrap and a punch up in those days; but to people who were the age that I have now attained and who were witnessing it at the time; it couldn't have been that great could it? I mean if I watch a boxing match on the telly these days I wake up next moring feeling all battered and bruised!
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Post by stuartB on Dec 29, 2009 21:41:41 GMT
Herb Alperts March of the Mods i remember the tune but can't find it anywhere under Herb Alpert but only Joe Loss. I may be wrong but the tune certainly brings memories flooding back as does "Do the Hustle" Van McCoy"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 22:55:42 GMT
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Post by stuartB on Dec 29, 2009 23:30:20 GMT
that's the one!! thanks Nick
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2009 23:43:40 GMT
that's the one!! thanks Nick I enjoyed listening to that again, what a great sound Herb Alpert's band made, I bought the greatest hits a few years ago, only played it once mind you, might have to play it tomorrow and crank up the volume as Carol will be at work
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2009 23:45:25 GMT
that's the one!! thanks Nick Dave, is it possible please to create a link to Herb Alpert's A Banda somewhere on the site? From the Herald Express's report of Tony Boyce's funeral in January 2008: Mr Boyce was responsible for introducing Torquay United’s popular theme tune ‘A Banda’.
Tired of the military music played before matches at Plainmoor, he found the Herb Alpert record during a holiday in Spain in the mid-1960s and introduced it to the stadium play list.
It remained the team’s pre-match ‘run-out’ music until the beginning of the current season.
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2009 23:48:37 GMT
Yes I can make a link to the one you put up, I will do it in the morning and put it above below the Merse blog link
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Post by Dave on Dec 30, 2009 0:13:02 GMT
Yes I can make a link to the one you put up, I will do it in the morning and put it above below the Merse blog link Hi Nick I have put it down the bottom for now, I found a great link box thing and had a go at editing all the bits to make it do what I want on my test forum, but the code beat me this afternoon. I will have another crack at it in the morning as we will then be able to add as many links as we like, once I get it working
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2009 7:47:18 GMT
Excellent, Dave, many thanks.
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Post by Dave on Dec 30, 2009 12:02:55 GMT
Excellent, Dave, many thanks. I have made a new flash link for the links we require for now, sorry but could not fit everything into the button but this looks much better than just the text style links I put up before. Dave
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Post by petef on Dec 30, 2009 12:13:46 GMT
Brill hearing tha old memory again Dave took me right back to the evening match atmosphere of Plainmoor 40 years ago. Yep got the name wrong sure they played March of the mods though but A Banda was our signature tune for many a season. Be nice to hear it in the ground on special occasions it was such a tradmark back then.
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Post by petef on Dec 30, 2009 12:29:02 GMT
Had to try and find this and hope its not inappropriate to add a link to You Tube but this is sure to spark a few memories in us oldies. Pretty sure the teams would come out to this.
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