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Post by Dave on Aug 10, 2008 8:34:29 GMT
Well sadly we did not get the start we wanted in our first game. Its good we have a game to follow so quickly, so we can move on from yesterdays game.
Was it the right formation yesterday? or should we have started with a different line up? Will be interesting to see, who if any of the players gets dropped to the bench on Tuesday. Lets hope we win and have a good display.
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 10, 2008 8:46:25 GMT
I would go for the following team:
Poke
Mansell Todd Hargreaves Nicholson
Stevens Thompson Wroe Hodges
Green Sills
Subs - Dsane, Benyon, Carayol, Carlisle, Robertson
I would definitely bring on Carayol in the second half for either Hodges or Nicholson.
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Post by Dave on Aug 10, 2008 8:49:15 GMT
I would go for the following team: Poke Mansell I think we may need nine other players rjd ;D ;D
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 10, 2008 8:54:24 GMT
Well, you know; Poke is a good goalie, Mansell can play in defence, midfield and scores a few goals............. but I have now changed my post to reflect a more "balanced line up"
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Post by Dave on Aug 10, 2008 9:02:29 GMT
Well I would pick the following team
Poke
Mansell Todd Woods Hodges
Carlisle Thompson Wroe Carayol
Green Sills
subs Dsane, Benyon, Stevens, Ellis, Nicholson
I think Green really needs to start and Carayol will offer more on the left. I believe we should stick with Carlisle, yes it seems he had a bad game yesterday, but give him another try.
Stevens on the bench to come on if Carlisle is having another not so good game, Stevens always looks better coming off the bench in my view.
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 10, 2008 9:20:09 GMT
Looks quite a good team Dave.
I was 50/50 on Stevens / Carlisle and agree Danny looks better coming off the bench. However in this instant I was swayed by the Carlisle rating of one by another poster and the fact that Danny did win the penalty - maybe a little harsh to drop him as opposed to Carlisle.
I was also 50/50 on whether to start Carayol but thought his pace may have a greater impact later in the game.
I agree with you about Green as I think he has a greater physical presence and hopefully will now be up for it.
We are in a bit of a mess in central defense but willing to give Hargreaves another chance but in my mind he is still on probation.
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Post by merse on Aug 10, 2008 10:07:23 GMT
Mornin' all! I'm afraid last night seamlessly became this morning after it turned into a bit of a "social occasion" in Chez Merse last night - and we've not long surfaced I read a comment on here that has go down as the most incredibley laughable enquiring why Hargreaves "as a midfielder" constantly got in the way of the defence. Go and have a lay down matey...............that's just plain silliness and if you really were at the game I suggest you try concentrating on play and not filling your stomach, chatting singing or whatever else it was causing you to fail to realise that Chris Hargreaves was our central defender alongside Chris Todd!!!! What of the game? Well I thought it was a bit of a "curate's egg" in that it was good in places, but not that good. Histon are a very big and very well drilled side in that they keep their shape and concentrate hard on winning their personal battles. The playing surface was excellent, slicked by constant drizzle so that we really had no excuse not to play a quick accurate passing game and try to dissect the seemingly immovable objects of their central defence. Let's get one thing straight, Carlisle and Stevens did not play as wingers and whether by choice orunder instruction they tucked in to ensure we were not outgunned in midfield. This does seem to be Stevens "natural" wish to play this way and I personally don't think he is that good at it - some of his "cavalier" passing deep in defence borders on the criminally negligent and could well earn him a clump round the earole from his left back in the confines of the dressing room at half time! Benyon was Benyon, well balanced; reads Sills well but hopelessly inadequate physically to compete at all. A guy sat next to me was making notes (for whom I don't know) we discussed Benyon's "contribution" at half time to which he had noted: possessions in dangerous positions - 10/ made effective -1. Attempts on target - 3 -/difficulty to keeper- 0 Says it all about Mr Benyon in this league as I keep repeating! He wouldn't have scored in a brothel today. Poke was as we would wish and the back four excellent with the proviso that Todd's distribution is the untidiest of them all. Hargreaves from where I was watching side on was excellent and I would go on record as saying that if he stays fit, Woods had played his last game for us. Hargreaves plays the ball out, whilst Woods hits the ball out.............. and hopes. Hargreaves anticipates so well and comes to win his headers, whilst Woods backs off, backs off; backs off. Thompson is pure quality and Wroe beside him, tidily efficient and plays the simple ball at the right weight and time. Bringing on Caryol meant going wide and utilising the flanks but not before their right back had panicked and hacked down Stevens with a hay maker for the penalty. A soft pen for us and a stupid panic ridden challenge from them..................thank you Mr right back! Dsane for Benyon was the move that stretched the game because Roscoe plays upon the shoulder of the last defender who then has to stay back and thus makes space for the midfield to operate in. I thought Hodges to be a much better and more traditional left back than Nicholson but the seventy three year old combined age of him and Hargreaves did get found out in the last minute when their right back (who should have been closed down more by Roscoe) had time and space to lob the ball over and behind the left back - Hargreaves failed to cover it, and either Mansell or Poke failed to take vocal command from their advantageous position on the far post....................two free headers and it's in our net. We switched off once with expensive (2 points) consequences................and "Mr Right Back" had redeemed himself
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Aug 10, 2008 14:41:28 GMT
Personally, I dont think Bucks should be rushing to change things too much. The performance, according to most reports, including Bucks' himself, was good for the majority of the game and we were in control away from home, to a decent side.
Woking have strarted this season very poorly and, although no games are easy, should be much less of a threat than Histon.
I think the midfield partnership of Wroe and Thompson could be crucial this season. Thompson, an anchor man, allowing Wroe, to operate in a more attacking role, in front of him, could really work for us this season. This partnership, in my opinion, needs consistency and time to gel.
As I was'nt at the game I dont know if there were any weak links in the side but the performance sounded positive. Therefore, abit of consistency could help the lineup to gel.
Teams that make too many changes rarely prosper. Look at Stevanage last season. After a fantastic start to the season, they kept tinkering the lineup and completely lost it.
Personally, i'd be completely satisfied if Bucks named an unchanged side and showed confidence in the 11 he claims put in a very decent performance at Histon.
One worry, with a squad with so much depth, is that Bucks attempts to satisfy players and picks them on that basis. However, I dont think that this is something that he would do.
Dave Thomas (Herald/ radio devon), yesterday, commented " If it aint broke, dont fix it". I would subscribe to this in relation to tuesdays lineup.
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Post by adamprowse on Aug 10, 2008 15:14:55 GMT
I read a comment on here that has go down as the most incredibley laughable enquiring why Hargreaves "as a midfielder" constantly got in the way of the defence. Go and have a lay down matey...............that's just plain silliness and if you really were at the game I suggest you try concentrating on play and not filling your stomach, chatting singing or whatever else it was causing you to fail to realise that Chris Hargreaves was our central defender alongside Chris Todd!!!! '( I was there. I watched the game. I fully realise that Hargreaves was playing central defence. The point I was making, albeit obliquely, is that I don't think he was doing a particularly good job. I suspect that he is in defence for his ball playing abilities, but I would much rather see Robertson play there giving that additional power and presence, with Hargreaves competing for a central midfield spot. Off to lie down.
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Post by Dave on Aug 10, 2008 16:14:46 GMT
tufcwewillbeback, Dave Thomas did indeed say, If it aint broke, dont fix it, but he was only referring to the substitutions being made.
As I said elsewhere, the game on the radio, seemed a different game, that those who were there watched. We do need to make changes and I'm sure Buckle knows that.
The team on Saturday did not work as well as he would have hoped, so fine tuning is the order of the day.
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Post by ealinggull on Aug 10, 2008 23:13:37 GMT
I too was there yesterday and feel sure that there will be a few tweaks to the side for tuesday - partly because its a different situation (at home against a less intimidating side). I'd like to see Carayol and Carlisle providing the ammunition for Sills and Green. I thought Benyon was off his game - D'Sane did much better, but I'd like to see Green have an early chance this season too. I thought Hargreaves to be one of our best players saturday - strong and imediately decisive. He must e the best player in the squad at winning hearders frn a standing start. I have to say I was extremely disappointed on saturday with Tim Sills - who lost the vast majority of headers against their centre halves and who was never going to beat these relatively static defenders for pace either The good news was that we got an away point in the opening fixture, but none of the players should be under any allusions as to how easy it will be this season. Let's learn many things and move onwards and upwards
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