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Post by timbo on Nov 23, 2009 21:40:10 GMT
The first of a few programmes I will be posting this week from FA Cup second round matches. This is the earliest one I have for a second round match and I would of liked to of thought that it was one of ties of the round. It is always great to beat your local rivals,but i`m sure the supporters at the time would of swapped this victory with wins in the league games. Argyle were having a poor season,but we failed to beat them in both league matches,drawing both,so this must have been a big disappointed. After this good win,we managed to lose against non league New Brighton in the next round. Also included is a report of the match from the Devon Derbies 1920-2001 book by Mike Holgate. I`m sure other TFF members also have this book. It is quite a good read,but reading some of the reports I get the impression that Mike Holgate is an Argyle supporter and seems a biased at times(I might well be wrong). The most disappointing thing about this book is that it does not include the matches from the 70/71 season when we did the double over them. Result: 1-0 Collins(pen). Attendance: 15830.         Result: 7-2(oh dear).Another match to cost us dear. Amazingly we beat them by the same score at home.   |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2009 21:49:13 GMT
Good to see this one. I'm a couple of weeks short of my 54th birthday and there's not been too many FA Cup ties against Exeter or Plymouth in that time!!
In fact, we might be unbeaten in the FA Cup against both teams in my lifetime....
Johnny Williams - still a dockyard apprentice in 1956 - was a great Argyle player appearing in over 400 league games. Those must have been the days when there were hundreds of apprentices in the yard with dozens and dozens of decent footballers amongst them.
"Became a target of the boo boys" - a fate which, oddly, befell a fair number of Plymouth-born players at Home Park.
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Post by stuartB on Nov 23, 2009 22:43:58 GMT
Good to see this one. I'm a couple of weeks short of my 54th birthday and there's not been too many FA Cup ties against Exeter or Plymouth in that time!! In fact, we might be unbeaten in the FA Cup against both teams in my lifetime.... Johnny Williams - still a dockyard apprentice in 1956 - was a great Argyle player appearing in over 400 league games. Those must have been the days when there were hundreds of apprentices in the yard with dozens and dozens of decent footballers amongst them. "Became a target of the boo boys" - a fate which, oddly, befell a fair number of Plymouth-born players at Home Park. 54, you don't look a day over 40  but that chelston, well that's another matter ;D |
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Post by Jon on Nov 23, 2009 23:21:30 GMT
Great stuff Timbo. I think there was a ] missing from this link. I get the impression that Mike Holgate is an Argyle supporter No, he is definitely a Torquay supporter (with maybe a little bit of Burnley thrown in). If you look at his other United book, you will see on page 8 a picture of a young Mike lining up for a Torquay United Supporters' Club FC team. |
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Post by timbo on Nov 23, 2009 23:35:26 GMT
Great stuff Timbo. I think there was a ] missing from this link. I get the impression that Mike Holgate is an Argyle supporter No, he is definitely a Torquay supporter (with maybe a little bit of Burnley thrown in). If you look at his other United book, you will see on page 8 a picture of a young Mike lining up for a Torquay United Supporters' Club FC team. Thanks for spotting the missing page Jon,now added. Apologies to Mike Holgate as well,I wouldn`t of expected him to list every game,but it does seem strange that the games from 70/71 are not included. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2012 21:50:35 GMT
Fantastic. On the day I was born (12/12/56) Gulls fans would still have been celebrating knocking the Argyle out of the Cup!
Question: since when have TUFC been Gulls? I know from reading these pages that they used to be Magpies. Could Torquay's fans be the only ones ever to have swapped one bird for another?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2012 22:06:11 GMT
Question: since when have TUFC been Gulls? I know from reading these pages that they used to be Magpies. Could Torquay's fans be the only ones ever to have swapped one bird for another? Probably the second half of the 1960s in an attempt to jazz up things a little by embracing the post-1966 "pop culture" that was becoming associated with the game. It led to a new badge, amongst other things, replacing the old one based on the town crest. I can't remember too much fuss at the time but, being aged about twelve, I was more than happy to go along with it. I bet some of the old buffers moaned. Years later Dave Webb - who'd win the "Most Villainous and Odious Character in Our History" award by a mile wanted us to be known as "The Palms". He failed but you'll see the palm tree logo on shirts and programmes from the mid 1980s. The Magpies related, of course, to when we played in black-and-white up to the 1950s as indicated at www.historicalkits.co.uk/Torquay_United/Torquay_United.htmThere was a spell between the mid-1950s and mid-1960s when you'll see programme references to the "Golden Blues". Not sure to what extent this ever entered common usage. I guess too that the Gulls took a fair while to really catch on. Meanwhile my 1970/71 Rothmans Football Yearbook has Chesterfield’s nickname as “The Blues” but I’ve an earlier sports encyclopaedia that clearly says “Spireites”. I was hoping it was traditional. Speaking of which I have this memory of a scene in Exeter some thirty years ago featuring two Chesterfield supporters (aged around 23/24) speaking to two girls who were considerably younger. 1st Chesterfield supporter: “Where are you f**k**g from?”1st girl: “We’re from Dawlish”2nd Chesterfield supporter: “Where the f**k’s that?"2nd girl: "It's by the sea. Where are you from?"1st Chesterfield supporter: "We’re from Chesterf**k**gfield”And, no matter how hard I try - and I rather like the place - I’m sorry to say that I can’t ever think of it as anything other than “Chesterf**k**gfield”. Anyway my ticket for the Under 21 game in September has now arrived so I guess I’m on the database for ever more as a Spireite. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2012 6:39:52 GMT
Ha! And you are very welcome, BD. Just don't adopt our local chat-up technique, eh?
Since I shall probably still be up here in September you are very welcome to come to my house for your tea. A pity you will be just too late to see the last traces of Saltergate at the top of the road, though. Currently there is just one floodlight pylon, the skeleton of the popular side and an awful lot of rubble, but by September all of that will have disappeared and a new housing estate will have begun to grow in its place.
As for Blues/Spireites, Blues is only used by the local press or as in "Come on you blue-oos". As far as the fans are concerned CFC are the Spireites or simply Town, although the Derbyshire Times once tried to rebrand Chesterfield Municipal FC as the Cips and, earlier still, the Salters.
Palms? I don't think so. But if TUFC insist on wearing a black strip away from home I'd suggest the Jackdaws after the bird that Mrs Beeste and I once saw using a zebra crossing down by the harbour. Clever bird looked both ways, waited till there was nothing coming and then crossed, which suggests that even South Devon's corvids have more impressive intellects that the effing Cestrefeldians you encountered in Exeter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2012 11:16:18 GMT
That's a very kind invitation, Mr Wildebeeste. Thank you. It's probably true that, when wildebeest are mentioned, it takes a while for the penny to drop for the average native Torquinian. For me the message only dawned when I was sipping coffee in Basil's Bar at the Gleneagles Hotel, inspiration for Fawlty Towers. With all the low-lying cloud here recently I could see absolutely bugger all out of the window let alone...... So Saltergate is finally about to disappear, having held out for a while since the building of the new stadium. I've just rummaged in the programme boxes and found one for my first ever visit - an unmemorable goalless draw against Tranmere on a Wednesday evening in November 1976. No obvious Torquay United connections from the line-ups. Just one other visit to Saltergate for me around that time: the end of season game against Brighton & Hove Albion that saw the visitors promoted. A crowd of 8,000 for that one, of which I suspect 5,000 were from Brighton. “A goal! Who scored? It must be Peter Ward!"And he did….. An interesting feature in the programme entitled “The Name of the Game” written by the ubiquitous Tony Pullein who, at one stage, popped up in just about every football publication imaginable. With its’ references to “odd names” (i.e those of non Anglo-Saxon origins) it really does come from another era:  |
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but that chelston, well that's another matter ;D