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Post by stefano on Mar 8, 2010 17:00:51 GMT
As for Camara - well a certain persons response to his signing was to tell us that "this was a signing that really excites me". Funny that us lesser mortals were expressing doubt that a 35 year old who had not played a match for god knows how long would be as much use to us as a chocolate fireguard. Got to admit that I thought this was a great signing for us and particularly at the time when we were leaking goals especially very late in the game which cost us loads of points. I felt that his experience would come through and that he would be a real asset supporting and encouraging the many younger players we have. I realised I had got that wrong in his first game. When he could get to the ball his class did show through, his touch on the ball and his distribution. Getting to the ball was the problem, and I could not believe just how unfit he clearly was. Many players when they have not been playing for a while do keep up a high level of fitness and it just needs a short time to get that extra edge needed for a full Football League game. Unfortunately that wasn't the case with Mo, it wasn't match fitness he was lacking it was any fitness at all. A pity as I still think a fit Mo Camara would have been an asset even at 35 years of age (and maybe especially because of his age and experience). It wasn't to be though and although I don't think he is working at McDonalds as has been suggested by some  I would be very surprised if we see him in a Torquay shirt again. It is difficult for supporters to judge the value of new signings before they have played though. Reputations count for nothing in football and whilst it is a well versed cliche you are only as good as your last game. Many had big doubts about Guy Branston but he has been a revelation. I managed to get that one right but only because an ex-professional striker who had played with him and against him convinced me of his ability and what he would add to our defence. My main doubt wasn't so much what he was capable of (we needed to toughen up at the back and needed somebody to take control and show leadership) but more his appalling disciplinary record. With us though whilst still playing in his own tough style that isn't proving to be a problem. Maybe because he is clearly enjoying playing for us and relishes the responsibilty he has been given to organise and encourage the younger and inexperienced players around him. Things aren't perfect still and I think we have been a little fortunate to get some of our recent points, but then again earlier in the season when some thought we may be in with a shout of the play offs we were unlucky a few times when we dropped points, so maybe over the season it does all even out. I know it is another cliche but you make your own luck in football and maybe the determination of the side in the last few games has brought that extra luck we needed to get some points on the board. But who cares whether it was luck or not? Nine points above the relegation places so lets keep grinding out those lucky points and look forward to next season, when our nice Mr Buckle will of course be an experienced league manager and ready to take us upwards ;D |
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Post by miac on Mar 8, 2010 17:33:32 GMT
I would not disagree that a fit Camara would be an asset. BUT a player of his age who is so lacking in match practice was in my opinion never likely to reach the standard of fitness in the time available made it look like a completely daft signing which it appears to be. Of course the person who was so lauding his signing will somehow tell us that it is completely incorrect.
Ignoring his hysterical squawkings this same person tell us that the signing of Ben Joyce was in some way a good one because he has been farmed out to Weston you know where (a real hotbed of football) where he can be developed and no doubt ready for league 2 football next season.
Of course some of us who will no doubt be accused of having an "agenda" against the manager will take the view that Joyce was another completely daft signing, and would not get a game in our first team as long as his arse points downwards.
In fact where was Joyce when we were so desperate for another striker a few weeks ago.
Was he recalled to give us another option on the bench - no he remains firmly in the wilderness, being "developed".
It is tosh of the highest order.
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Post by chelstongull on Mar 8, 2010 17:43:37 GMT
I don't think that we have the budget (or is it because of the budget) to develop players for next season. Something 'must be up' with Mo as he hasn't appeared on the bench for several of the games and as long as we carry on grinding out the right results then Rowe-Turner can stay. Bucks says in tonights HE that "he is not pursuing any more new signings in the striking department" which is a shame as they haven't been knocking them in of late. |
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Post by merse on Mar 8, 2010 18:26:01 GMT
Ignoring his hysterical squawkings this same person tell us that the signing of Ben Joyce was in some way a good one because he has been farmed out to Weston you know where (a real hotbed of football) where he can be developed and no doubt ready for league 2 football next season. Of course some of us who will no doubt be accused of having an "agenda" against the manager will take the view that Joyce was another completely daft signing, and would not get a game in our first team as long as his arse points downwards. In fact where was Joyce when we were so desperate for another striker a few weeks ago. Was he recalled to give us another option on the bench - no he remains firmly in the wilderness, being "developed". It is tosh of the highest order.  Do we have a reserve team in which to accomodate young players? Is playing competitive Conference South and then BSP football not conducive to learning the ropes of competitive football? Taking a punt on young players and expecting them ALL to come to fruition is far more "tosh" than ever you are accusing me of. You really seem to regard yourself as such an expert in the managerial field I am surprised you don't earn a living at it yourself. Get it into your rather thick and big head that OUR club is still playing catch up with most other of it's contempories as regards being able to accomodate young hopefuls in that it still doesn't have a reserve set up to assess them in and that the youth programme is still at least five years from being in the postion to be judged on it's through put of home produced talent. Therefore you can look forward to more gambles that were taken in the form of Ben Joyce, Eunane O'Kane and LRT; more loan arrangements whereby players like Danny Mills, Adam Smith and Sam Cox arrive for some experience and further chances taken with the likes of Mo Camara and Guy Branston whether you like it or not......................it's how small clubs are run! |
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Post by aussie on Mar 8, 2010 19:03:24 GMT
Elliot Benyons slow progress is purely down to his size, you can`t bulk up over night unless you use steroids, he is working out and still filling out, he`s biggest problem has been because he was a bit light wieght and it has been recognised and is being dealt with! So this cr4p about him being here for 2 and a half years and still hasn`t improved loads is just ignorance at it`s max, when the lad becomes a man and has filled out with the tuition he is under then you may critisize him.
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Post by chrish on Mar 8, 2010 19:11:55 GMT
I would not disagree that a fit Camara would be an asset. BUT a player of his age who is so lacking in match practice was in my opinion never likely to reach the standard of fitness in the time available made it look like a completely daft signing which it appears to be. Of course the person who was so lauding his signing will somehow tell us that it is completely incorrect. Ignoring his hysterical squawkings this same person tell us that the signing of Ben Joyce was in some way a good one because he has been farmed out to Weston you know where (a real hotbed of football) where he can be developed and no doubt ready for league 2 football next season. Of course some of us who will no doubt be accused of having an "agenda" against the manager will take the view that Joyce was another completely daft signing, and would not get a game in our first team as long as his arse points downwards. In fact where was Joyce when we were so desperate for another striker a few weeks ago. Was he recalled to give us another option on the bench - no he remains firmly in the wilderness, being "developed". It is tosh of the highest order. This is all getting a bit desperate now isn't it? Are we seriously using Ben Joyce as the new Buckle stick?? Yes he's being developed by dropping down 2 divisions to get experience. Adam Smith and Jamie Cox dropped down 3 divisions to play for us. Scott Rendell and Ashley Barnes have dropped down 2 divisions. Poke and Thompson have dropped down from a much bigger club a division above as has Macklin. They've been sent out to get experience, why shouldn't we do that with Joyce, albeit at a much lower level. What's so ridiculous about that? As for the I told you so about Camara. Did you actually object to the signing at the time? Or are you just being a weasel? |
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Post by longeatongull on Mar 8, 2010 20:12:39 GMT
As for Camara - well a certain persons response to his signing was to tell us that "this was a signing that really excites me". Funny that us lesser mortals were expressing doubt that a 35 year old who had not played a match for god knows how long would be as much use to us as a chocolate fireguard. I think this is a good point. I think a lot of this critiscm is so unfair because all we have seen of him was 45 minutes at Rotherham. For those of us that were present I think we will agree that pitch was a disgrace and none of the 22 (well perhaps apart from Guy) showed any great touches. Once again some of our delightful, knowledgeable fans can make there minds up in 45 minutes---amazing eh? |
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Post by merse on Mar 8, 2010 20:30:25 GMT
So this cr4p about him being here for 2 and a half years and still hasn`t improved loads is just ignorance at it`s max, when the lad becomes a man and has filled out with the tuition he is under then you may critisize him. If you care to react in a more pertinent manner Aus, you will realise that people are not saying that at all. The observation is that he has not improved so far as to be a complete player after three seasons as a professional at Torquay United and a long development period with Bristol City. Yes he always shows 100% effort, yes he is trying desperately hard to become the finished article; but no he hasn't got there yet and he is in fact a hell of a "slow burner" who obviously gets the support of the manager who sees him at work day in day out and we have to respect that fact. |
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Post by merse on Mar 8, 2010 20:47:24 GMT
We have a contributor on here (Stefano) who would vouch for the FACT that forty years ago he was a player who was able to be allowed to spend more than one season playing in the reserves at Plainmoor gradually developing amongst and against experienced professionals. He was one of several who were there or thereabouts as far as being up to Football League standard, and remember; the First team were then playing in the equivalent of League 1 ~ and one of the better sides in it too. Some, like the Sandercock Bros, Ian Twitchin and Steve Morrall made it; and some like Stefano, John Knapman, Russell Petersen and others did not despite being possibly the standard of player who would have made it into a lower placed League 2 or BSP squad such as we have been these days. One notable player (Pat Roche) also didn't make it here but managed to at Manchester United and played with distinction for Ireland! I too was one of those "wannabees" but I couldn't even make it into the reserves at Plainmoor and more often than not even the First Team at nursery club Newton Spurs. But the quantum leap into full time professional football was not quite such a big leap as it is now due to the structure of a graduated ladder of senior part time professional football to be judged in and play in without being too much out of one's depth or realm of experience.....................and I don't particularly recall anyone being instantly judged as being a no hoper from game one, even if I personally turned out to be one. But certainly players need to be able to become absorbed into the next level at which they are aspiring to rise to; yes even in a relegation fighting side! Jesus.................at Newton Spurs fighting relegation whether in the First, Second or Third team was all we ever did; we were bloody experts at it!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2010 21:09:33 GMT
A great stadium for the BSP. although I think the scrimped on the leg room - probably in full knowledge that there wuld be 23,000 empty seats most games. Indeed. Stretching my legs meant my heel momentarily touched the empty seat in front of me. Long enough for a steward to head in my direction..... Stadium already looking tatty and obviously hard to maintain. I can't see a bright future for Darlington.... |
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Post by stuartB on Mar 8, 2010 23:19:36 GMT
A great stadium for the BSP. although I think the scrimped on the leg room - probably in full knowledge that there wuld be 23,000 empty seats most games. Indeed. Stretching my legs meant my heel momentarily touched the empty seat in front of me. Long enough for a steward to head in my direction..... you complete rebel!! and you have the audacity to comment on my Brix'm, earthy, industrial language. you should be ashamed of yourself  |
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Post by miac on Mar 8, 2010 23:23:48 GMT
What exactly does being a weasel mean then? - My view was the same as the one as I had at the time, which I have clearly detailed.
It does seem however that my view was correct as he is not featuring at all. Looks like a complete waste of money to me.
Makes you wonder what those in charge are doing though - they are paid good money to sign these players after all.
If someone can point to Camara being a good signing then please feel free.
As for Joyce - I don't think that he will get his contract renewed at the end of the season. If thats the case then in my view that is another crap signing.
Don't see how anyone can say otherwise.
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Post by aussie on Mar 9, 2010 7:15:33 GMT
So this cr4p about him being here for 2 and a half years and still hasn`t improved loads is just ignorance at it`s max, when the lad becomes a man and has filled out with the tuition he is under then you may critisize him. If you care to react in a more pertinent manner Aus, you will realise that people are not saying that at all. The observation is that he has not improved so far as to be a complete player after three seasons as a professional at Torquay United and a long development period with Bristol City. Yes he always shows 100% effort, yes he is trying desperately hard to become the finished article; but no he hasn't got there yet and he is in fact a hell of a "slow burner" who obviously gets the support of the manager who sees him at work day in day out and we have to respect that fact. This is purely down to his size and strength, ball retention is what he lacks most and he is bulking up, when you are as young as he is it takes longer to get to the age at which you are fully grown, it will come, unfortuanately it is a slow process growing up and building your stature physically. Having been here three years and at Bristol for a while is totally irrelavent to his growth, four or more years is a long time to wait but if he started this wait at the age of 22 then it wouldn`t take so long but since he started this wait at the age of 17 then it obviously takes longer! |
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Post by chrish on Mar 9, 2010 8:47:22 GMT
What exactly does being a weasel mean then? - My view was the same as the one as I had at the time, which I have clearly detailed. It does seem however that my view was correct as he is not featuring at all. Looks like a complete waste of money to me. Makes you wonder what those in charge are doing though - they are paid good money to sign these players after all. If someone can point to Camara being a good signing then please feel free. As for Joyce - I don't think that he will get his contract renewed at the end of the season. If thats the case then in my view that is another crap signing. Don't see how anyone can say otherwise. What do you think it means? I've looked at pages 21,22 and 23 of the new players thread when Mo Camara was signed back in early February and I can't see your post "slamming" this latest disaster signing or one ridiculing Merse or Stefano both posting some positive views on the signing. Did you delete it or post it under a different name back then? It's a bit too easy to riducule another man's opinion of a new signing when he doesn't turn out to be a success story. Maybe if you disagreed with Merse's post praising the signing then you might have some creedence but saying it now is the behaviour of a complete weasel, as is using Ben Joyce as a new weapon in the anti Buckle armoury. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2010 11:15:26 GMT
you complete rebel!! and you have the audacity to comment on my Brix'm, earthy, industrial language. you should be ashamed of yourself Double standards indeed, Stuart. Goes alongside previous misdemeanours for “feet” at Darlington and Scunthorpe and having the audacity to smuggle newspapers into the grounds at Gillingham and Scunthorpe (again). Guilty as charged, m’lud… Fifty-odd players for Darlington this season - never a good sign (what's the record?) - as testified by www.soccerbase.com/squad_season.sd?teamid=719A walk from Tynemouth to Whitley Bay for me on Sunday followed by a drive up to Newbiggin-on-Sea (you can’t beat it!) passing close to Cambois on the way and getting a good view of the power station at Lynemouth. Torquay United connections with those two communities? |
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I would be very surprised if we see him in a Torquay shirt again.