miac
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Post by miac on Mar 14, 2010 23:53:45 GMT
Chris Hayes, you are quite condescending.
Stated quite simply - we have Carlisle,Zebroski,Stevens,Carayol,O'Kane,Thomson and Macklin. That is seven players five of whom can really only play in one position ie winger. Six if you count O'Kane who really isn't going to get a game in central midfield. Only Zebroski can realistically play anywhere else ie striker. Noone can argue (other than you probably) that we have far too many wingers, and that signing Macklin - a winger who is incapable of going past anyone,was completely baffling when we have six players who are better than him in any case. Camara - justify his signing then, a player who is unfit to play. Or indeed justify the point of having four wingers on the subs bench and no strikers. It is basically incomprehnsible.
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Post by Rob on Mar 14, 2010 23:57:24 GMT
The giveaway word. What's with the name changing? Baffling. Not that we've tried him there, but Thomson must qualify as a right back option. I don't think macklin's signing was for any reason other than there being concern as to Wayno's fitness at the time. Though that has previously been explained in more detail on these boards.
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Post by jmgull on Mar 15, 2010 0:06:12 GMT
Its been pretty clear it was brucie all along........
Can't see why he had to change his username either? I cant remember him being banned, I just thought he'd taken his bat and ball and stropped off.....
Unless he wanted to get the message m.i.a.c across?
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Mar 15, 2010 0:08:23 GMT
I'd never agree with anyone who critisises a player within earshot of either them or any other player, it is totally counterproductive. I can't recall boo'ing a player off the pitch since Gary Brabin and his sending-off against Exeter (mercifully the last time he represented us, I believe?).
I just don't think Wroe has shown that he is anywhere near consistent to be a key player in a League 2 TUFC team. It doesn't bother me that he doesn't bawl his lungs out at anyone or seem to give any encouragement, but he doesn't lead by example, doesn't influence the game in any significant way and isn't good enough to have to be carried for long periods of matches when he cannot get involved. I don't think that his performances have varied much since he has got the armband - whilst I thought he was poor yesterday it's probably not much worse than I recall in most games this season. Sure, he had a couple of show-pony longshots last season and his form for the last quarter of the season was vastly improved, but we are not playing the likes of Salisbury, Weymouth, Grays, Lewes, Altrincham and Northwich anymore. I can't imagine that he isn't one of the higher earners at the club, I'm sure that his wage would be far better used on another player - who? Well, we've seen vastly better players over the years to know that it is possible to bring them in. If he cannot have it coached into him that if he leans back to 65 degrees when he takes a shot on the edge of the area then it will endanger the fans behind the goal rather than the opposition keeper for the vast majority of efforts.
Wroe has one or two good games for every five or six anonymous ones. The sooner we are safe the better so that we can involve O'Kane more in the middle.
I don't think the role of captain in football is significant as it is in cricket or rugby perhaps, but I think I'd go for Rob's choice and go for Wayno. He leads by examples with the quality of his performances, never gives less than 100% and has never let his head drop despite the abuse he received in his first season.
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Post by merse on Mar 15, 2010 3:46:00 GMT
Wroe for what ever reason is not the Rowe we thought would simply step up to league two with no problems what so ever, You can say that again Dave............................actually you could say Thomson is not Thompson nor Lathaniel Rowe-Turner, Smith but that's another matter!
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Post by merse on Mar 15, 2010 4:12:33 GMT
LRT hadn't had much joy against the pacey Bryon Moore in that opening period and apparantly decided that a more Branstonian approach might be called for. Consequently we saw Moore hobbling off after 12 minutes of the game & Crewe's reshuffle meant LRT then had a far easier afternoon that he'd had up to that point. ................. Donaldson was loudly asked if he was aware of how 'ridiculous'his hair looked. How eagerly I jump at the chance to read your reports Alpine.....................such a change and enlightenment from those submitted as a rigid "blow by blow" account ~ you're the "Stuart Hall" of TFF and that's praise indeed! So do you think young Lathaniel-The-Hyphenated is now gaining acceptance from those condescending types in a ground where once the likes of Scrumpy Calland, Harry Smith and Peter Darke were venerated and young boys used to be despatched to the backs of the stands to hunt for and retrieve the severed limbs of nancy type wingers foolish enough to get within striking distance of those wicked old sods who would gleefully relieve them of their manhood if not their crossing foot at the drop of a hat and to the blood curdling roar of the Popside as if they were gathered at the guilotine as yet another head of a toff was held aloft whilst those old crones in the Grandstand carried on knitting? In fact wouldn't it be luvverly if one fine day young LRT came scything off the green sward and went wickedly cutting through the assembled lynch mob that gather behind the manager's position and dismembered a certain "Maic" along with his Stadtler and Waldorf mates to the pants wetting joy of JMGull and his dad and the general glee of the Popside opposite. Your tale of the torment of Clayton Donaldson reminds me of the old dear in Newton Market who (fascinated by my little girl's braided hair) gave it a tug and loudly proclaimed to her friend "I think it's string" ~ they still haven't got over the age of the Gollywog in NA just as "they" of the Popside still cannot fathom the tonsorial prefererence of young black lads from the cities to the Greavsie "Where's Yer Caravan" look, and on reading your report of an equaliser for the opposition; I must confess that if Alex were to get any joy, what delight I had that it was he who got the goal and gave the Gurners their comeuppance!
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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2010 6:24:15 GMT
Its been pretty clear it was brucie all along........ Can't see why he had to change his username either? I cant remember him being banned, I just thought he'd taken his bat and ball and stropped off..... Unless he wanted to get the message m.i.a.c across? The accout Frobisher has not been banned
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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2010 6:32:15 GMT
How eagerly I jump at the chance to read your reports Alpine..................... such a change and enlightenment from those submitted as a rigid "blow by blow" account ~ you're the "Stuart Hall" of TFF and that's praise indeed! Its a pity you feel the need to take digs at people who take the time to write match reports and sorry if I go into to much detail in mine, but there are plenty of members who can't make home matches and a detailed report is welcomed by them. You don't have to read them Merse and there is no need for you to have digs at my reports. I do all I can to help t you on here with your slow PC and Internet connections and I help to promote your blog.
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Post by longeatongull on Mar 15, 2010 7:38:52 GMT
How eagerly I jump at the chance to read your reports Alpine..................... such a change and enlightenment from those submitted as a rigid "blow by blow" account ~ you're the "Stuart Hall" of TFF and that's praise indeed! Its a pity you feel the need to take digs at people who take the time to write match reports and sorry if I go into to much detail in mine, but there are plenty of members who can't make home matches and a detailed report is welcomed by them. You don't have to read them Merse and there is no need for you to have digs at my reports. I do all I can to help t you on here with your slow PC and Internet connections and I help to promote your blog. I may be wrong here Dave R (i have been before ;D)----but I dont think Merse was having a pop. I (and many others) really enjoy the MATCH reports but we ALSO enjoy Alpines reports about the DAY itself---hence Merse comparing him to Stuart Hall. When you listen to the Sports radio as much as myself and hear all the reports about "4-4-2, back sticks and scorers" from the NORMAL reporters. Then listen to SH talk about "the sky, railway line behind the grandstand and VIP's sat in front of him etc etc", you soon get the comparison. Obviously Merse may come on here and tell me that I got it wrong and he was having a dig but I dont think so. Anyway (as I mentioned over the weekend)---I really enjoy the match reports from everyone but ALSO liked Alpines report......in fact I may re-read again about the Miss Whiplash person ;D
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Post by chrish on Mar 15, 2010 8:57:50 GMT
Chris Hayes, you are quite condescending. Stated quite simply - we have Carlisle,Zebroski,Stevens,Carayol,O'Kane,Thomson and Macklin. That is seven players five of whom can really only play in one position ie winger. Six if you count O'Kane who really isn't going to get a game in central midfield. Only Zebroski can realistically play anywhere else ie striker. Noone can argue (other than you probably) that we have far too many wingers, and that signing Macklin - a winger who is incapable of going past anyone,was completely baffling when we have six players who are better than him in any case. Camara - justify his signing then, a player who is unfit to play. Or indeed justify the point of having four wingers on the subs bench and no strikers. It is basically incomprehnsible. Quite condescending! How dare you. I can be very condescending. I'm still angry that you once called me a "twerp"! 7 players = 7 wingers? That's a rather simplistic notion. Macklin was signed because Carlisle was still injured, and the manager can't trust Stevens, Carayol and now it seems Jake Thomson to carry out his instructions (attack when possible but always help out your full back) for the full 90 minutes. I haven't seen Stevens or Carayol have a good full game for us yet, lots of 60, 45 and 30 minute cameos of promise but never a full 90 minutes. O'Kane is the Nicky Wroe replacement but is probably a bit too young and inexperienced to fill Wroe's shoes just yet (although he deserves his change after Wroe's latest non performance) and Carlisle can play on both wings and I reckon he could do a job in the hole behind 1 or 2 strikers. As for Zebroski. Well I think he's proving more effective playing on the left than up front, even though he was brought back to play up front. Benyon and Rendell seem to have a good partnership going on so why break it up? I think you're going a bit wrong describing the transfer policy as being "baffling". The gambles that PB have taken are only loanees and mostly on a very limited basis. Macklin is supposed to be highly rated but he has a bad injury and needs match practice. Barnes I thought was a good signing but the reports of him have been less positive. Thats a shame. He was excellent for Eastbourne against us last season. Plus as for good old Mo Camara, I'm not convinced that PB actually had much to do with his signing. Are you really arguing that the longer term loanees have not added something to the team? That's Poke, Branston, Thomson (even though he's having a rough spell), Smith (even though he's not playing at the moment) and Rendell. Openly derided for not being as good as Crown Prince Sills and then sorely missed when he broke his arm against Bradford. If you think about it there's a reason for everything in life. In the grand scheme of things The Torquay United transfer policy 2009-2010 isn't that incomprehensible when you actually use your brain and have an open mind. EDITED a little bit at 1741.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2010 13:24:14 GMT
If you can't get to the match & especially if you don't have 'Gulls World' then the blow by blow' accounts are invaluable. In fact it's only because this site has such excellent factual accounts of the match that I don't attempt to compete with them. If I've been unable to get to a match in person it's the superb blow by blow accounts I want to read.. not about the Owls in St.Marychurch ,so I only cover the 'peripherals' because the important stuff is already covered so excellently by Dave & others before I get to a PC on a Sunday evening. I didn't think Merse intended any criticism, more an appreciation of the variety of accounts of the day he's able to enjoy on this site.
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Post by Dave on Mar 15, 2010 17:42:34 GMT
longeatongull, alpinejoe, guess you are probably right and it was just me reading a post far to early in the morning and half asleep
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Post by merse on Mar 15, 2010 17:45:43 GMT
I may be wrong here Dave R (i have been before ;D)----but I dont think Merse was having a pop. I (and many others) really enjoy the MATCH reports but we ALSO enjoy Alpines reports about the DAY itself---hence Merse comparing him to Stuart Hall. When you listen to the Sports radio as much as myself and hear all the reports about "4-4-2, back sticks and scorers" from the NORMAL reporters. Then listen to SH talk about "the sky, railway line behind the grandstand and VIP's sat in front of him etc etc", you soon get the comparison. Obviously Merse may come on here and tell me that I got it wrong and he was having a dig but I dont think so. No you haven't got it wrong Longie, you've got it spot on; but then you aren't as thin skinned as some people!
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Post by chrish on Mar 15, 2010 17:46:12 GMT
If you can't get to the match & especially if you don't have 'Gulls World' then the blow by blow' accounts are invaluable. In fact it's only because this site has such excellent factual accounts of the match that I don't attempt to compete with them. If I've been unable to get to a match in person it's the superb blow by blow accounts I want to read.. not about the Owls in St.Marychurch ,so I only cover the 'peripherals' because the important stuff is already covered so excellently by Dave & others before I get to a PC on a Sunday evening. I didn't think Merse intended any criticism, more an appreciation of the variety of accounts of the day he's able to enjoy on this site. I enjoyed reading them all. I don't whether some of you take notes during the game to remind yourselves of certain events but it's always reassuring to know that I have noticed certain things during a match and that I'm not going mad or need a visit to SpecSavers. Not just yet anyway!
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Post by aussie on Mar 15, 2010 18:46:49 GMT
I think Alpines reports are a breath of fresh air, not saying all the other match reports aren`t good they are very valuable to people who can`t get to matches but Alpine has taken a different slant on things and is amusing as well as colourful! I don`t believe for minute Merse meant anything bad, in fact quite the opposite!
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