AR10
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Post by AR10 on Dec 29, 2009 18:01:25 GMT
Ant how do you know I`m not qualified to judge this baffoon? O.k I wasn`t there but I have read about fifty peoples reports who were from a few different web sites, I have seen the highlights and I was an official FIFA approved referee in Australia for several years so patronize me all you like mate, your reply to my post brings your post into disrepute in my opinion. It is also common knowledge that Singh is a token ref to fill the ethnic gap and if the FA are too pompus too bother reading in FULL any complaint by the people they make millions from then the wrong people are in charge of football! I wasn't patronizing you, I was merely trying to help you compose a better email that would be listened to, in it's current form it won't even get considered. Common knowledge to who might I ask, did you also get that from reading websites? They will listen Aussie, but you need to address the situation in a way that they will take notice.
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keyberrygull
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Post by keyberrygull on Dec 29, 2009 18:13:21 GMT
I tried too email the F.A. but can`t seem to find anything that doesn`t require a F.A.N. number and not being a registered England fan cannot send anything to them! This is what I was going to send:- This referee at the Bournemouth vs Torquay fixture should be sacked for gross incompetence, bringing the game into disrepute and basically being absolutely useless at controlling football related situations! The mans a joke as far as being any form of official, it would appear he is employed as a token gesture towards political correctness due to his ethnic back ground and too employ some one just to fulfill this gap in multiculturalism is beyond a joke and bending the stick too far, I applaud organizations that employ people from various back grounds but they MUST be capable of doing the job to a satisfactory level, in this case he is clearly not capable of doing the job! Please request a copy of the match DVD from Bournemouth and make your own minds up, this issue needs to be addressed immediately before it gets too out of hand, nobody wants games to have to be replayed for the above reasons. Yes I am a Torquay fan, yes I am dissapointed at the outcome of the match but I am much much more concerned about the state of football and the way it`s officiated than the outcome of one game! This is not a personal attack on Mr.Singh but a cry of help from a football fan to the organization responsible for the conduct of football itself, please help restore my faith in the governing body of the sport I love most! Aussie, you would need to construct a better email than that for the FA to sit up & take notice, calling for them to sack him in your 1st sentence would probably result in the email being deleted with out further reading. The 1st question that they would ask of you is, were you at the game? The 2nd would be are you in a qualified posistion to comment on his performance? Your best bet is to go through his each individual booking & look at each one as to why he produced a card, now you would need to see his caution sheet for each one, then point why you feel that shouldn't be the case, hard to do unless you were at the game & in a good vantage point. Your next line of approach should be suggesting that the Ref needs to be assessed at a future game, calling for him to be sacked is not the answer. His race has nothing to do with his level of performance on the football pitch, how do you know he got on to a league list due to his race? You should merely comment on his performance & not his race. The fact that you have had 24 hours to calm down and you are still happy with the content of your email worries me. You have just brought your own game into disrepute with such an email. I think that the FA will recieve (via email from Mr Singh) 2 report forms (Only room for 10 cautions per form) as shown on an earlier thread. REF 1 will read: Surname- Wroe First Name - Nicky Club- Torquay United Caution Code- C1 FA Code- FT No right to appeal end of. Oh and 11 others. Even if you did get to speak to somebody they would back their man to the hilt. RESPECT
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Post by aussie on Dec 29, 2009 18:15:34 GMT
Certainly came across as patronizing, I do apologize if I have miss judged your intent or indeed your self! I can`t see what`s wrong with telling them the honest truth the way I told it but then again right from day dot on here I have always maintained that I have a problem with constructing things in type the way I mean them to be read! I can`t help it if I`m shit at word things, my worst by far subject at school was English and grammar was the worst part of that, I`m sorry but that`s the best I can do!
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merse
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Post by merse on Dec 29, 2009 18:45:39 GMT
It is also common knowledge that Singh is a token ref to fill the ethnic gap Knowledge? Because something is said that does not make it FACTTo report something has been said is merely to report the FACT that it was indeed said, it does not mean that the subject talked about was fact does it? To claim something is fact when it can be proved it is not could be construed as libellous.
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Post by aussie on Dec 29, 2009 18:59:09 GMT
It is also common knowledge that Singh is a token ref to fill the ethnic gap Knowledge? Because something is said that does not make it FACTTo report something has been said is merely to report the FACT that it was indeed said, it does not mean that the subject talked about was fact does it? To claim something is fact when it can be proved it is not could be construed as libellous. What are you on about pal? You said it so basically your admitting you lied! Get of your high horse Merse before you fall off and hurt yourself!
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keyberrygull
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Post by keyberrygull on Dec 29, 2009 19:01:01 GMT
It is also common knowledge that Singh is a token ref to fill the ethnic gap Knowledge? Because something is said that does not make it FACTTo report something has been said is merely to report the FACT that it was indeed said, it does not mean that the subject talked about was fact does it? To claim something is fact when it can be proved it is not could be construed as libellous. Alan, In your opinion is Mr Singh on the list on merit alone?
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Rob
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Post by Rob on Dec 29, 2009 19:08:36 GMT
Just delete the ethnicity reference. It is irrelevant when addressiing the issue of the 7 bookings and penalty. Furthermore it again brings up something that moderation is right to be concerned about. Merse should perhaps have treaded more carefully when making the suggestion of (what the US once referred to as) "affirmative action", but he is not lying, aussie. It is a rumour. Just that. And not one, as rjd, and most eloquently, Barton, have already pointed out that needs repeating insofaras it refers to ethnicity. Frankly it weakens any point your e-mail seeks to address and as Ant says, will not endear the reader to your concerns given its tone.
Note to mods: Please feel free to edit reference to potentially offending material contained within this post when editing anything else referring to the potentially offending part. Like Barton, my PCometer is quite high.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2009 19:19:52 GMT
After reading this thread again from start to finish, it was Merse who first posted he was "a token Asian". up until that post, he was just a ref, to be honest here all this is making life a bit more difficult for me than I want, as we are in places I'm never sure how I'm supposed to deal with any of it.
Can we please just talk about his performance and nothing else about him? that way I may just save the last hair on my head that is not grey from going the same colour of all the rest.
Thanks Dave
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keyberrygull
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Post by keyberrygull on Dec 29, 2009 19:20:45 GMT
Can the FA be seen to act on the demands of a supporter whose team have lost a game due to a dodgy injury time penalty. Regardless of colour or creed it just ain't gonna happen.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2009 19:29:00 GMT
Can the FA be seen to act on the demands of a supporter whose team have lost a game due to a dodgy injury time penalty. Regardless of colour or creed it just ain't gonna happen. I believe the FA as an organisation would look to see if there was a need to see if complaints received were justified and if it needed to take any action. No one letter on its own won't make them suddenly call a meeting to discuss the issue, but I'm sure any poor ref would have generated plenty of complaints and no right minded organisation would just turn a blind eye to so many complaints.
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merse
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Post by merse on Dec 29, 2009 19:40:40 GMT
Alan, In your opinion is Mr Singh on the list on merit alone? I can't give an objective opinion because I could only make a judgement of my own based on the times I have seen him ref in the FA Trophy and The Conference before he became a Football League referee. I do recall there was a bit of a fuss when he finished top of the Southern League marks for three succesive seasons without getting promoted and it was felt that it was his performances before crowds of any size in The Conference (which does not have a panel of it's own) which held him back. Rather than ask me if I felt he was promoted on merit, maybe you should ask me if he has retained his place on merit; but I cannot answer that authoritively either because quite frankly I haven't (and what regular spectator would have?) seen him that often at that level either. I mentioned the "talk" of his ethnicity getting him "fast tracked" as an example of what one heard around grounds and added the time scale as to how long it took him to reach the Football League middle as a counter balance. Perhaps such "talk" is another example of the extra barriers that officials of certain cultural and ethnic backgrounds feel they have to overcome; and perhaps the turning down after three times topping the rankings of the Southern League were seized on by some as some sort of ethnic rejection that others don't need to. My personal view is that only the best should make up the rosters of the best, and I am sceptical when some of these "best" seem to get placed into fixtures which will avoid them getting too harsh a test so as not to damage their ratings on the way to fast tracking their way to the top. Conversly, it is my view that if a referee takes nearly two decades to attain the required standard, there must be something radically wrong with his performances over that time to have held him back. Certainly, if after all that time in the game a referee finds the need to issue twelve yellow cards in a game and still have his control of that match questioned; questions need to be asked as to his suitability to that level of football and his ability to handle the intensity of pressure referees are placed under at that level. There has to be a happy medium and there are surely enough good referees in the country to fulfill that criteria. The same rumblings have frequenbtly cropped up when the name of Leroy Rosenior is mentioned and there are those who tried to promote him a future "First Black England Manager", which (as anyone who knows me well enough would expect me to say) I find totally ridiculous.
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Dave
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2009 20:06:04 GMT
Merse its not my wish to fall out with you, but I have took the time to think about what has been going on here during the last 24 hours. The other day you felt it was fine to refer to others as retards, a word that is not really acceptable is it?
It was you who loaded the gun on this thread, you who brought in the fact the ref was an Asian and yes thinking about it very quick to want to stick the racist label on another poster.
I have complained to you before the fact you stick labels on people far to easily, myself you called a BIGOT, just because I was concerned about a group of travellers who broke into our local play park just 50 yards away. A concern made even stronger as the police knocked on all our doors, telling us to keep our doors locked and leave nothing of any value in our gardens.
You were so quick to call atheringtongull a racist why? he is a good man who lives in a village in North Devon what did he do so wrong to be called a racist? He made an Innocent remark that when he got of a train in London 30 years ago he thought he was in another country. Not racist just the fact where he had lived all his life he only saw white people.
You bring into a match thread the idea the ref is just a token Asian". nobody else posted about the fact he was from an ethnic back ground and then you start putting labels on other posters.
I have said before its the people who keep making claims that this or that is racist, that causes the real problems and make problems between races when there were really none before.
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Post by chelstongull on Dec 29, 2009 20:14:10 GMT
Dave, can I suggest that this thread closes before it turns into another 'Pikeygate'.
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Post by Dave on Dec 29, 2009 20:16:01 GMT
Dave, can I suggest that this thread closes before it turns into another ' Pikeygate'. We do not lock threads unless we really have to Phil, what I have just posted needed to be said and I have posted nothing that is not a fact.
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Post by chelstongull on Dec 29, 2009 20:18:25 GMT
Dave, can I suggest that this thread closes before it turns into another ' Pikeygate'. We do not lock threads unless we really have to Phil, what I have just posted needed to be said and I have posted nothing that is not a fact. Just a thought mate....
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