FL2: Torquay United v Northampton 31st Oct 2009

...'kin ell aussie.....i've already done that one!!! ;D

Sills' role is just as much provider as it is scorer.......you cant expect the bloke to win it in the air and get on the end of it himself!!!
We dont get crosses in from the byline often so Sills chances to score himself are a bit more limited.


His partner should be scoring more as he should feeding of his knockdowns, anticipating the right place to be and when to time his run etc.
My point was that a total of 10-12 would be acceptable for Sills, his partner.....the poacher, the furthest forward, the man that plays on the oppositions last line of defence is the one who would be expected to get the 18-20 total in a full season.

I think your missing my point deliberately, Tim needs someone to complement him in a different role to the one hes playing, forget Rendell and Benners pairing up with him, he needs a different format of player along side him and different service to him than thump it long to him all the time, yes he wins a lot of headers but they generally fall to the oppositions feet whom Benyon then has to try and do battle with! Bury your head in the sand as much as you like but it won`t get us anywhere lumping the ball up to a bloke that doesn`t succeed in knocking it down to our players enough, cross the thing to his head and you`ll get goals, use the wingers and Waynes right foot more often, like Wembley! I don`t buy 10-12 goals is acceptable from a so called prolific striker, if he was sat behind the two front men in the hole then maybe I`ll buy it but one of the two up top then that is an average or poor return in my book!
Ospel what has Lisa`s brother got to do with it, it`s a different team with different players hosting different play structures to suit different formations and managerial ideas! No comparison I`m afraid, how many of them bagged 10-12 goals for a promotion push? It can`t have been just one or two players, they must have had a lot of contribution from all over the park to get goals in order to go up! Sorry but your arguement doesn`t hold water mate!

Assie, Lisa's brother has nothing to do with it, just wanted to show that you don't need a 20+ striker to be succesful at this (or any other) level.

I wasn't referring at our or their style of play. Just the goals ratio.



Actually he was the only one who scored more than 9 goals.

I think this serves to highlight that these two are not the best pairing if you are playing 4-4-2.

Rendell doesn't strike me as an out an out Centre Forward. He doesn't really flick on, hold up or get involved much in the box. To me he appears to be more of a just behind the front two sort of player, as most of the time i have seen him play he has come back looking for the ball and has been more involved in linking up play rather than being the end product. Is it me or does he also appear to be a bit of a mood player. By this i mean if its all hunky dory he is happy, however if he is not happy he looks disinterested. Having said all that, i appreciate that we haven't seen that much of him.

The only role i can see for him is if we play 3-4-3/2-5-3. I was excited when i saw that we were starting 3-4-3/2-5-3 against Morecambe. I was expecting Wrexham away last season where we really battered them. However, it didn't work so I'm not sure what role Rendell has. For me it has to be Sills and Benyon at the moment.

I can sort of see both sides of the Sills/Benyon discussion. We need a bit more luck in front of goal. On Saturday we had 10 attempts on Target. The bar saved them twice and their keeper pulled off a couple of decent saves, on another day with a little bit more luck, we could easily have scored 4. (The fact that we could also have conceded 4 is a different topic of conversation).

Thompson showed some promise on Saturday and with him and carlisle, perhaps we now have the wide men who can get the ball into the box more. If they do i am sure that we will see that Sills and Benyon do compliment each other very well.

Like someone else alluded to, i am more concerned about other areas, left back being my biggest concern

Not missing your point at all Aussie......i agree that we need a bit more pace with Sills.

Of course, it would be nice to be passing the ball around like we did in Leroy's season...in reality that aint going to happen because we havent got the players we had back then.......i'm not burying my head in the sand!!??........i would love to see us playing that type of football.

So far this season we have looked a team low in confidence as we have struggled to adapt easily to a higher level, we're getting there slowly now in my opinion.
The reason we have had to....and will still have to, play it long up to Sills (more often than not) is that throughout the rest of the side we are not given the time and the space to play it through to our front men.....unless you've got a much more talented bunch of players, that's how it is in lge 2.

As results improve, confidence returns and a player will be more likely to try and pass the ball forward rather than go long to Sills, which is the safe option.
If you look at every side we've played in this league so far, they all have a Sills type of player because of the fast paced physical nature of the football in this league.
Benyon and Rendell would never work long term, because neither are target men able to hold the ball up so that the rest of the team can move up the pitch to support an attack............with those two up front the ball would keep coming back at us too quickly and we'd be under even more pressure.....

As for the wembley goal.....great memory that it is, you have to remember that Camb were chasing the game desperately by that stage and gaps were appearing.......which we exploited perfectly, hopefully we'll start seeing other teams in this league chasing games desperately......instead of us having to do it week in week out.
[/quote]Rendell holds the ball up and puts people through very well actually and 9 times out of 10 when the ball is humped up to Sills he can`t hold it up or flicks it on to no-one thus the ball comes straight back at us, that is why Benyon doesn`t get the service he needs. Did you not watch any pre-season games or the first two league games were we passed the ball around beautifully like Leroys team used to, there is no reason on earth why we can`t reproduce that again! League 2 is not just hump it and run ( excuse the terminology please ) tactics or park the bus in front of the goal conference style, some teams can play and some of them can really come at you so to pass it around these teams would see us beating them!

It`s not wonderful either, check out how many goals the strikers got in the top 6 of last seasons league 2 teams, good midfieldfield players get 10-12 goals a season, good strikers get 16 plus!