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Post by merse on Jun 18, 2010 21:57:46 GMT
the england players got what they deserved from the fans at the end,if they dont like the truth,maybe playing for england isnt for them?nobody is crytical of desire and passion,tonight we showed neither  I don't really think desire and passion come into a performance like that. It looks to me a classical case of going through the "yips", the harder you try when you're out of sorts; the worse it gets. Golfers and cricketers would tell you all about that. Just as The Gulls season turned on that Northwich game in the Conference and suddenly last season in League 2, all of a sudden for no explainable reason things go right and you're on your way. Tournament football is so like that, there's many an eventual winner that has started like that. I'm not saying England will win it, I don't think we possess nearly enough World Class players for that; but it's no good peaking in week one and being burned out in week five....................it's a fine tuning job. Perhaps a change of system for the next game might concentrate the minds on the positives required so much that the negatives are shut out. You know what fans are like.....................a last gasp winner no matter how undeserved would have seen all that booing simply not happen. They're disappointed and it has become the fashion these days to boo England off unless they win. Paying a lot of money to be there and making a lot of noise buys no-one the right to win. I don't think they will be any more frustrated than the manager or players to be honest. |
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Post by stuartB on Jun 18, 2010 22:04:03 GMT
When Rooney complained about being booed, was he moaning about the Popside?  |
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Post by petef on Jun 18, 2010 22:04:07 GMT
World Cup? Looked more like a BSP game - no sorry thats an insult to the BSP players and teams.
We were teririble. The so called big players, the likes of Gerrard Lampard and Rooney looked like they were on another planet, all on at least 100k+ a week - bloody right they deserved to be booed off the pitch I have absoloutly no sympathy at all.
I somehow expected it though the team has technical short comings which were magnified by little Algeria. As well as Heskey played I dont believe he is the answer we need a key to unlock defences and create the space for th likes of Rooney and Joe Cole is the obvious candidate. Yet there was one man that could have perhaps made a difference, trouble is he was sat on the bench in a suite! Gerrard isnt half the player he was a couple of seasons ago hes lost his touch and is drained of any self belief and thats our captain. Lampard NEVER produces his club form for the international side.
Capello must make some tough decisions though persoanly I think its to late and Serbia will frustrate and spoil for the draw they need to qualify for he next stage I just cannot see where the goals will come from.
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Post by keyberrygull on Jun 18, 2010 22:06:36 GMT
TBH England were rubbish but all it means is the knock-out stage has been brought forward by one game.
If we can win that game and get into the next phase of the competition with momentum it may not be all bad.
Rooney dire, MOM David James.
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Post by Dave on Jun 18, 2010 22:08:05 GMT
PRIDE, PASSION, DESIRE, are just three things you would think anyone who got the chance to represent their country in any sport would feel. For a football player it would start in the dressing room as he pulled over his head that fresh clean smelling shirt that had ENGLAND on it. Then out onto the pitch and singing the national anthem with PASSION while standing there feeling so PROUD.
Then starting the game and showing the DESIRE to win the game that you were so lucky to get the chance to play in because thousands and thousands of men who love playing football would die for the chance you have.
Did we see any of that tonight? No we did not and just as we would clap of our own team TUFC if they gave everything that had to try and win the game but in the end were not good enough, so we would have done the same for the England team.
No desire, no passion and not one player looking like it really mattered that much to them, no player seemingly proud to be wearing the England shirt and for me that is what hurts most tonight about the dismal performance we saw from them.
The writing has been on the wall for some time now, far too many foreign players playing in the top flight of English football and tonight we saw the real cost of that when it comes to having to put together a side to play for our country. It should never have been changed from only four foreign players being allowed to play in any game.
We were made to look the very poor side we are by a team we were expected to play off the park, the truth is they played the much better football and we should count ourselves lucky we managed to get a draw from this game.
I may get shot down for this, but can we have an England manager who can at least speak our language, we had ours unable to give an interview that any English fan could understand when they needed to hear answers. I also feel he is too stuck in his ways and too stubborn to make the changes in formation the game was crying out for, Paul Buckle could have got far more out of those players than he did tonight.
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Post by merse on Jun 18, 2010 22:14:51 GMT
Lampard NEVER produces his club form for the international side.
Capello must make some tough decisions though persoanly I think its to late and Serbia will frustrate and spoil for the draw they need to qualify for he next stage Urm Pete, we're playing Slovenia on Wednesday not Serbia......................I know I know they're all funny little Balkan countries (or somewhere down that way) but I don't think the Slovenians are actually as good as the Serbians. Agreed on Lampard, I just don't think he is good enough to excell at international level..................as good as we've got in this country but not better than many opponents he runs up against at this level and hence he exerts little or no influence over procedings. |
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Post by petef on Jun 18, 2010 22:17:34 GMT
Darn knew it was some unknown footballing nation begining with an 'S'!
Shows how interested I am!!
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Post by merse on Jun 18, 2010 22:29:19 GMT
Darn knew it was some unknown footballing nation begining with an 'S'! ................and not Scotland either!  |
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Post by petef on Jun 18, 2010 22:45:37 GMT
That was Australia, some unknown footballing nation beginning with an 'A' we played tonight wasn't it?
Bugger shouldn't go there should I?
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Post by loyalgull on Jun 18, 2010 23:00:38 GMT
i just hope and pray we dont go much longer in winning the world cup,i was 8 when we won it,now i am 52,i will be dead and gone before we win it maybe again.The thought of that is terrifying,not winning it i mean,i am not worried about the grim reaper as much.
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Post by stefano on Jun 18, 2010 23:04:07 GMT
It's only a game! When I watched a fascinating game between Slovenia and USA earlier I realised (well perhaps I already knew it!) that both teams are better than us. Confident on the ball, confidence in their team mates, slick passing movements, and belief. No evidence of that with us so far. Slovenia are probably a better team than us although if history repeats we will suddenly spark. Remember having one point from the first two games? Then a Gary Lineker hat trick in a 3-0 win got us through the group, 3-0 next round against Columbia, and then the hand of a cheat. One can only hope. I feel sorry for Fabio Capello and don't agree with Dave in that even if he could speak better English he would never get through to this lot! |
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Post by loyalgull on Jun 18, 2010 23:16:14 GMT
When Rooney complained about being booed, was he moaning about the Popside? probably,was he expecting the fans to applaud them? the modern player is out of touch completely with the feelings of the fans,ferraris,mansions,luxury yachts if you reach the pinnacle of your career,even racehorses now,and until sanity returns to football,which it wont,then the future is dire for grassroots footy.A few boos chucked the way of players like rooney,then they get out of there gold plated prams,many stars of the 60s and 70s relished such crowd interaction,this bunch are now prooving there worth,a bunch of overated cissies |
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Post by merse on Jun 18, 2010 23:35:18 GMT
I may get shot down for this, but can we have an England manager who can at least speak our language, we had ours unable to give an interview that any English fan could understand when they needed to hear answers. I'll shoot you down on that Dave...................you knew I would didn't you! One of the best coaches I've seen my son learn under was an Italian who got him up and running when he was just six years old. Since then I've seen him enjoy sessions under a Dutchman (although he could speak perfect English) and one or two English guys who didn't exactly have a fine command of the Queen's English but could demonstrate and inspire................. Ian Holloway would be a good example of that wouldn't he? Stefano would back me up in recalling him,and you might remember the late Bill Anderson at Newton Spurs.To pretend that us youngsters knew what the hell he was on about half the time would be telling a lie, and to him we were all "Young Bennett" or "Young Merson" and if he put the right surname to the right face it was a good day.................he used to have us in stitches, especially when he lost his temper! |
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Post by stefano on Jun 19, 2010 7:36:03 GMT
I may get shot down for this, but can we have an England manager who can at least speak our language, we had ours unable to give an interview that any English fan could understand when they needed to hear answers. I'll shoot you down on that Dave...................you knew I would didn't you! One of the best coaches I've seen my son learn under was an Italian who got him up and running when he was just six years old. Since then I've seen him enjoy sessions under a Dutchman (although he could speak perfect English) and one or two English guys who didn't exactly have a fine command of the Queen's English but could demonstrate and inspire................. Ian Holloway would be a good example of that wouldn't he? Stefano would back me up in recalling him,and you might remember the late Bill Anderson at Newton Spurs.To pretend that us youngsters knew what the hell he was on about half the time would be telling a lie, and to him we were all "Young Bennett" or "Young Merson" and if he put the right surname to the right face it was a good day.................he used to have us in stitches, especially when he lost his temper! Bill Anderson .... what a legend! It wasn't only my surname he had a problem with. Probably because me and Merse joined the club together for the first twenty or so games he called me Alan. He was convinced I was deaf when I didn't respond as he roared instructions from the touchline!! He was hilarious in the dressing room and was light years ahead of Fergie with the 'hairdryer', and probably like Fergie it was impossible to understand a word .... you just knew he wasn't happy! His team talks were always interrupted by having to give John Dunn and Kenny Drawer a bollicking for not concentrating and talking about what happened the night before in the 400 Club. He would point at me sitting quietly in the corner and shout that they were setting a bad example to the youngster. They were only a year older than me. I was frightened to death of him and would never answer him back, although when he left Newton Abbot Spurs I also left and joined Brixham United as it just wasn't the same without him. He went as licensee of The United public house up at Plainmoor (the pub is still there but has a different name now). At first he tried to run the pub and manage Spurs, but it understandably was too much and he relinquished the football to concentrate on the pub. When I moved to live in Torquay about four years later I was living at Babbacombe, and when I popped in to his pub Bill was delighted to see me. I felt it was a far warmer welcome than he had ever given me in the changing room! A couple of favourite memories of Bill was him going into orbit when the boot of the coach was opened at the Devon County Youth Cup final to find that nobody had put the kit on the bus, and of his rotund frame commanding midfield in a South Western League game at Newquay when we were a bit short of players. I think Merse played in the Newquay game. The programme gave a warm welcome to a young and sporting Newton Spurs team. Then the first two out of the dressing room were Bill Anderson and Alan Garrett with a combined age of a 100, we buckled down and got stuck in, drew 0-0 and got booed off!! Not by our own fans mind, there weren't any! ;D |
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Post by chelstongull on Jun 19, 2010 7:36:53 GMT
The plus points - James played well and we didn't lose. The last game I can remember a team playing so badly was Leroys last game, against Rochdale on a damp Tuesday night (I think). The rest of the team were awful.
Apart from a few shots from outside the box, I don't think we troubled their keeper at all. As the gravy man said we were lucky to play for the draw.
I can remember when the final squad was announced that my biggest fear was the lack of quality of the front four, bar Rooney.
Anyway, I'm off to Saltash to see my sister.
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