Post by Dave on Sept 5, 2010 9:20:53 GMT
A number of you have sent me Pm’s asking where the poster of the week votes system has gone from the forum, well the good news it has now been put back on and I’m happy to explain what happened to it.
In some of the emails Mervo sent me recently he talked about all the abuse he got owning a forum and he also talked about what he described as the lost years of his life and how now he is doing what maybe he should have been doing then, things that he really wants to be doing like painting and making music.
Anyone who is a member on a forum logs onto it and it’s a part of their life for the time they are on it, that is not the case for someone who owns a forum as I have found out and I live and breath this place 24 hours a day, in other words it has almost taken over my life.
I make no excuses for who I am and the sort of person I am and many of you have got to know me and have learned just who Dave Roach is and what he believes in.
One thing I do believe is my childhood played a big part in me making me the person I wanted to be and not be the person everyone were saying I was going to be due to the childhood from hell that I was living in. “ Poor little mite I feel so sorry for him and he will be in prison by the time he is 15, well just look how he is treated and the life he has ” those were words I heard said about me far to many times when I was a child.
There has been and will be many more young people who due to their poor childhoods who will end up in prison and blame their childhood for it, but while I was just a little tacker I was big inside and could say NO when I needed to and made my mind up very young that I was not going to take the easy route and use the excuse it was the fault of my childhood who I was, NO I knew who I wanted to be and the things I so desperately needed in life and I was going to make myself that person and make all the rest happen for me.
While I was successful very early in my life to be who I wanted to be I had to wait until I was 38 years to truly find what I needed and that was love and real security and true friendship when at last Carol came into my life. So desperate at 18 years old for a place to call home and to have a family I would belong in I rushed into a marriage with a person who had disguised so well the real evilness she had inside
The end result was at 35 years old she destroyed that family and took every single thing I owned but one person stood by my side and gave up his home and lived up in a damp and very cold converted roof space above a shop until I could start to rebuild my life again my son Anthony.
Because I’m a very open person and never afraid to talk about me life and how I feel etc I will share this with you. Just like a lady puts on her makeup before she leaves the house, I put on my smile mask and during the day be as nice as I can to everyone I meet, if I can make something feel special I will and if I can make someone laugh I’ll do that as well and if they need a shoulder to cry on I’ll offer mine. I won’t walk past anyone who may need a hand no matter who they are and I don’t care if I know them or not, if I’m there when they need someone I can’t walk past them.
Those of you who chat to me at games see a chatty friendly little man who wears his mask so well to cover up what is really going on inside of him. Deep inside I’m so very scared and so very frightened and it’s a fear I have to hid from Carol Ant and all my family and friends because they all look to me to be the strong one and the one they can come to to help them with their own fears.
It’s a hell of a burden and takes everything out of me and a very hard act to keep up but one I have to and somewhere inside I still have to find hope and believe in miracles and even magic fairies if they can help to keep my Carol alive and in my life.
I’m sorry but I don’t like the sort of people who love to cause upset to others just because they enjoy doing so, those who poke fun at others knowing it will hurt them and then once they have instead of feeling some sort of sense of shame for what they have done, hid behind such words as its not my fault others are so sensitive, well it is there fault as they had a choice and could have chosen to have been nice to someone instead of trying to hurt them.
It’s the same people who come onto forums and look who their next victim will be and sadly the victim ends up taking the bait and the forum then ends up a very unhappy place and gets damaged as a result of the crap that is being posted on it instead of what really should be being posted.
I have taken what is written below from Rags signature and it was written by MERVO
All I know is that I have a bunch of new friends with similar interest and shared football heritage.
They also have extremely high IQs, can pass Police exams blindfolded, and debate with anyone on myriad topics."
We all say our club is a small friendly family club and I would like to think it is but as our match reports from yesterdays game shows we have a few who really are tarnishing our club and ruining the pleasure of really good fans and that is such a shame.
There are also a number of people parading on forums as fans of our club who ruin and spoil the pleasures others are having using the forum to the extent they end up only as readers as they simply don’t want to be subject to the abuse that may come their way.
So onto the reason>>>> it breaks my heart to see our great community end up breaking down yet again because some who claim they only want to debate turn our forum into nothing more than a bickering horrible place that no one gets any pleasure from reading or even coming onto. This last week instead of being out driving happy in my work I have been so upset and stressed as to what the TFF has been turned into by just a few of its members.
On Friday morning very early when I read the latest instalments I was knocked as low as this forum has ever knocked me before and my thoughts were to just let those few carry on and ruin the TFF and lose all its members and when there was no one left to play with that would be the end of the TFF for good.
I disabled the voting system as I intended to just stay away from the forum and by disabling it I would not need to have to post on here what so ever. I would have asked Rob to start the match threads and timbo to put up our programme pages and then just let this place go where ever the bullies were going to take it.
When I got home from work and read the forum again I had regained enough of my strength I needed to ensure our forum does not get ruined by a few and the pleasure so many do get by being a member on the TFF does not end because I just let this forum go to rack and ruin by sitting back and doing nothing.
I closed the forum down for the night to put an end to what was going on and to give me time to think about what needed to be done, I wrote a post with a few home truths in it and appealed to someone’s better nature as the good of the TFF is and always will be very important to me as long as I do run it.
When MERVO said
I view The TFF to have carried on the spirit of dotNET
He did not just mean it was a forum trying very hard to avoid having any moderation on it, he also and more importantly meant the feeling of being a place where FRIENDS could meet and enjoy good intelligent debate. Read his archives and do you find it all breaking down as it does on here far too often? No you don’t, you will find many good debates were points of views and opinions are argued the way adult debate is carried out by normal people.
Debate is not forcing your opinions down other people’s throats, sticking labels on them if they don’t share your views or just tell them they are a racist or a bigot simply because you don’t want to consider what the other person is saying as to do so you might end up not winning your latest battle.
The TFF is not run by our club, nor is it run by any company or government organisation, it is run by someone who believes in friendship and someone who promotes goodwill and provides free of charge a place that others can get pleasure and enjoyment from using and sharing their views with fellow TUFC fans. It is not a place that will allow a few to get the sort of pleasure they want by causing upset and offence just for the hell of it as that is the way they get their kicks out of life.
If that makes this forum a bit too bland or boring for those who want or need to get their kicks out of life that way, then I offer no apologies what so ever and it is and never has been about censoring debate, only trying to ensure good fans can enter debate without the fear of being attacked and made to feel they have no worth or value on the forum and are treated with a degree of respect that they rightly should expect from their fellow fans.
It is also nothing to do with any battles of wills or anyone trying to force their ways onto others, it’s simply the TFF run by me saying this is what the TFF is all about what it believes in and how it wants to be for the members who want to use it because that’s the sort of forum this is and will always remain.
It’s not going to be to everyone’s liking and I know that, but there is so much badness and unpleasantness in the outside would and this should be a place we can escape to and be amongst friends and have some fun and not end up wishing we had never joined or logged in one night because some have failed to understand just what the SPRITE OR THE TFF really means.
Onto this week’s winner and a rare and very good match report won it hands down this week.
This weeks winner and for the third time I believe is Rags, well done Rags.
The winning post.
All of us on this site have seen poor Torquay United sides: those that don't try hard enough, don't battle, whose heads drop, shoulders droop, give up and lose games they should have won. This Torquay United side is the antithesis of that. Through the entire game yesterday, every player fought hard for the team. Every player worked hard for the team and every player remained confident that we could get the win. In my opinion, there was not a single average or poor performance from the entire side.
Sometimes we can concentrate too much on individual results: goals scored, assists, saves, clearances, tackles won etc and sometimes we miss the teamwork and running that is put in. This is not a game for individuals and the best sides are those where the team is greater than the sum of its individual players.
Yesterday I felt that Wayne Carlisle was our least effective player: he didn’t get forward enough, his crossing was weak and he was far too conservative when he did get a chance to attack their defenders. He wasn’t bad going forward, but he wasn’t great. But what epitomised his performance for me was when, in the first half, he threw himself in front of a shot to block it. This guy is almost 31 (old for a footballer), he’s just come off surgery and he is literally throwing himself in front of a shot to prevent a goal. Carlisle’s defensive work was excellent, just as his attacking work was disappointing; and that is fairly representative of the team. Any player who disappointed in one aspect of his game exceeded expectations in another.
We started off very quick out of the blocks, attacking almost constantly from the kick-off and soon went into a 2-0 lead which should have been 3-0 as Benyon was the victim of a strange offside decision; as he and the rest of our team were the victims of some strange refereeing decisions all day. Vale came back with a brilliant 30-yard screamer to take our record away and piled on the pressure for the last 10 minutes of the second half.
All first half I’d been particularly impressed by the way The Gulls played in pairs: we’re used to the link along the touchlines but it really was as if Nicho/Danny, Zebs/Benyon, Ellis/Pickler and Wroe/Manse knew exactly where each other were going to be without even looking. Wroe and Manse were also making triangles with each pair alongside them. I felt that relationship wasn’t quit as strong between Wayno and Robbo, but that’s no criticism as I’m sure it will improve when Carlisle plays more games. This ability to find each other blind extended into the second half and it was only as bodies, and consequently minds, tired that mistakes occurred: on one occasion Nicho played it into Wroe who immediately clipped it back along the touchline for Nicho’s run, which Nicho had failed to make. Angry words were said, which impressed me as proof that standards are high.
As expected, Vale came out in the second half with renewed intent, Adams having given them a rocket, and our game plan changed. We no longer attacked in numbers, but appeared content to sit back in midfield and disrupt everything Vale tried. Obviously Vale succeeded in making more chances but when they invariably turned towards the long-ball game, Pickler and Ellis were reading everything that came their way and clearing it. The Vale fans were queuing to leave with about 10 mins to go, aware they weren’t going to score and that the game was lost. We weren’t anywhere near as confident and I was nervous until about 30 seconds after the final whistle! Certainly the Marshall miss and Ellis goal-line clearance as described by NickGull was the point when I was certain they’d scored: one second the ball was heading for the net, the next it was rebounding away from the penalty area and although my eyes had clocked every moment of the process, my brain seemed unable to compute!
Apart from the usual MotM nominees already stated, and there’s no argument from me on any of them, I feel I have to single out three players for particular praise. I felt Elliot Benyon ran his socks off today and was a constant thorn in the side of the Vale defence, always hassling and pressing them to prevent them getting an incisive ball or pass away. His link-up play in the first half was impressive and as his forward effectiveness waned, he replaced it with sheer hard work. He might not have had the physical strength to challenge for many balls but that didn’t stop him trying. Not a MotM performance but for sheer hard work and effort he should get big marks. Also, Lee Mansell was simply brilliant at breaking up a lot the Vale moves in their infancy. Always darting around midfield, sticking his boot in where the ball was and generally upsetting the composure of the Vale midfield, he and Benyon were a major factor in keeping the pressure off our defence in the second half and keen students of the game will appreciate that we have players who will keep going even when things don’t appear to be going their way.
I’m not sure how to describe Eunan O’Kane. He clearly wasn’t a major contributor to the game as a whole but in the last half an hour was a constant menace. He was given a free role in midfield and invariably picked the ball up where you least expected him to but, rather than passing the ball long, he’d run at the Vale defence to tire them and drain them of their confidence. He should have scored just after he came on and maybe again at the very end of the game, but for me his running and vision were a major reason why we were able to hold out in the last 30 minutes against a very strong team who would have been desperate to win the game.
In the first half we were a very strong attacking team and in the second we were an irritatingly strong defensive team. We didn’t play the tiki-taka that was described last week, although we still tried to pass our way out of trouble throughout the game rather than hoof it, but we were hard-working and epitomised everything Arsene Wenger hates in the likes of Stoke and Blackburn. It wasn’t pretty for long periods but it was effective and nobody should mistake that for a poor performance.
We were fantastic, in the Northampton away rather than Rochdale home context.
In some of the emails Mervo sent me recently he talked about all the abuse he got owning a forum and he also talked about what he described as the lost years of his life and how now he is doing what maybe he should have been doing then, things that he really wants to be doing like painting and making music.
Anyone who is a member on a forum logs onto it and it’s a part of their life for the time they are on it, that is not the case for someone who owns a forum as I have found out and I live and breath this place 24 hours a day, in other words it has almost taken over my life.
I make no excuses for who I am and the sort of person I am and many of you have got to know me and have learned just who Dave Roach is and what he believes in.
One thing I do believe is my childhood played a big part in me making me the person I wanted to be and not be the person everyone were saying I was going to be due to the childhood from hell that I was living in. “ Poor little mite I feel so sorry for him and he will be in prison by the time he is 15, well just look how he is treated and the life he has ” those were words I heard said about me far to many times when I was a child.
There has been and will be many more young people who due to their poor childhoods who will end up in prison and blame their childhood for it, but while I was just a little tacker I was big inside and could say NO when I needed to and made my mind up very young that I was not going to take the easy route and use the excuse it was the fault of my childhood who I was, NO I knew who I wanted to be and the things I so desperately needed in life and I was going to make myself that person and make all the rest happen for me.
While I was successful very early in my life to be who I wanted to be I had to wait until I was 38 years to truly find what I needed and that was love and real security and true friendship when at last Carol came into my life. So desperate at 18 years old for a place to call home and to have a family I would belong in I rushed into a marriage with a person who had disguised so well the real evilness she had inside
The end result was at 35 years old she destroyed that family and took every single thing I owned but one person stood by my side and gave up his home and lived up in a damp and very cold converted roof space above a shop until I could start to rebuild my life again my son Anthony.
Because I’m a very open person and never afraid to talk about me life and how I feel etc I will share this with you. Just like a lady puts on her makeup before she leaves the house, I put on my smile mask and during the day be as nice as I can to everyone I meet, if I can make something feel special I will and if I can make someone laugh I’ll do that as well and if they need a shoulder to cry on I’ll offer mine. I won’t walk past anyone who may need a hand no matter who they are and I don’t care if I know them or not, if I’m there when they need someone I can’t walk past them.
Those of you who chat to me at games see a chatty friendly little man who wears his mask so well to cover up what is really going on inside of him. Deep inside I’m so very scared and so very frightened and it’s a fear I have to hid from Carol Ant and all my family and friends because they all look to me to be the strong one and the one they can come to to help them with their own fears.
It’s a hell of a burden and takes everything out of me and a very hard act to keep up but one I have to and somewhere inside I still have to find hope and believe in miracles and even magic fairies if they can help to keep my Carol alive and in my life.
I’m sorry but I don’t like the sort of people who love to cause upset to others just because they enjoy doing so, those who poke fun at others knowing it will hurt them and then once they have instead of feeling some sort of sense of shame for what they have done, hid behind such words as its not my fault others are so sensitive, well it is there fault as they had a choice and could have chosen to have been nice to someone instead of trying to hurt them.
It’s the same people who come onto forums and look who their next victim will be and sadly the victim ends up taking the bait and the forum then ends up a very unhappy place and gets damaged as a result of the crap that is being posted on it instead of what really should be being posted.
I have taken what is written below from Rags signature and it was written by MERVO
All I know is that I have a bunch of new friends with similar interest and shared football heritage.
They also have extremely high IQs, can pass Police exams blindfolded, and debate with anyone on myriad topics."
We all say our club is a small friendly family club and I would like to think it is but as our match reports from yesterdays game shows we have a few who really are tarnishing our club and ruining the pleasure of really good fans and that is such a shame.
There are also a number of people parading on forums as fans of our club who ruin and spoil the pleasures others are having using the forum to the extent they end up only as readers as they simply don’t want to be subject to the abuse that may come their way.
So onto the reason>>>> it breaks my heart to see our great community end up breaking down yet again because some who claim they only want to debate turn our forum into nothing more than a bickering horrible place that no one gets any pleasure from reading or even coming onto. This last week instead of being out driving happy in my work I have been so upset and stressed as to what the TFF has been turned into by just a few of its members.
On Friday morning very early when I read the latest instalments I was knocked as low as this forum has ever knocked me before and my thoughts were to just let those few carry on and ruin the TFF and lose all its members and when there was no one left to play with that would be the end of the TFF for good.
I disabled the voting system as I intended to just stay away from the forum and by disabling it I would not need to have to post on here what so ever. I would have asked Rob to start the match threads and timbo to put up our programme pages and then just let this place go where ever the bullies were going to take it.
When I got home from work and read the forum again I had regained enough of my strength I needed to ensure our forum does not get ruined by a few and the pleasure so many do get by being a member on the TFF does not end because I just let this forum go to rack and ruin by sitting back and doing nothing.
I closed the forum down for the night to put an end to what was going on and to give me time to think about what needed to be done, I wrote a post with a few home truths in it and appealed to someone’s better nature as the good of the TFF is and always will be very important to me as long as I do run it.
When MERVO said
I view The TFF to have carried on the spirit of dotNET
He did not just mean it was a forum trying very hard to avoid having any moderation on it, he also and more importantly meant the feeling of being a place where FRIENDS could meet and enjoy good intelligent debate. Read his archives and do you find it all breaking down as it does on here far too often? No you don’t, you will find many good debates were points of views and opinions are argued the way adult debate is carried out by normal people.
Debate is not forcing your opinions down other people’s throats, sticking labels on them if they don’t share your views or just tell them they are a racist or a bigot simply because you don’t want to consider what the other person is saying as to do so you might end up not winning your latest battle.
The TFF is not run by our club, nor is it run by any company or government organisation, it is run by someone who believes in friendship and someone who promotes goodwill and provides free of charge a place that others can get pleasure and enjoyment from using and sharing their views with fellow TUFC fans. It is not a place that will allow a few to get the sort of pleasure they want by causing upset and offence just for the hell of it as that is the way they get their kicks out of life.
If that makes this forum a bit too bland or boring for those who want or need to get their kicks out of life that way, then I offer no apologies what so ever and it is and never has been about censoring debate, only trying to ensure good fans can enter debate without the fear of being attacked and made to feel they have no worth or value on the forum and are treated with a degree of respect that they rightly should expect from their fellow fans.
It is also nothing to do with any battles of wills or anyone trying to force their ways onto others, it’s simply the TFF run by me saying this is what the TFF is all about what it believes in and how it wants to be for the members who want to use it because that’s the sort of forum this is and will always remain.
It’s not going to be to everyone’s liking and I know that, but there is so much badness and unpleasantness in the outside would and this should be a place we can escape to and be amongst friends and have some fun and not end up wishing we had never joined or logged in one night because some have failed to understand just what the SPRITE OR THE TFF really means.
Onto this week’s winner and a rare and very good match report won it hands down this week.
This weeks winner and for the third time I believe is Rags, well done Rags.
The winning post.
All of us on this site have seen poor Torquay United sides: those that don't try hard enough, don't battle, whose heads drop, shoulders droop, give up and lose games they should have won. This Torquay United side is the antithesis of that. Through the entire game yesterday, every player fought hard for the team. Every player worked hard for the team and every player remained confident that we could get the win. In my opinion, there was not a single average or poor performance from the entire side.
Sometimes we can concentrate too much on individual results: goals scored, assists, saves, clearances, tackles won etc and sometimes we miss the teamwork and running that is put in. This is not a game for individuals and the best sides are those where the team is greater than the sum of its individual players.
Yesterday I felt that Wayne Carlisle was our least effective player: he didn’t get forward enough, his crossing was weak and he was far too conservative when he did get a chance to attack their defenders. He wasn’t bad going forward, but he wasn’t great. But what epitomised his performance for me was when, in the first half, he threw himself in front of a shot to block it. This guy is almost 31 (old for a footballer), he’s just come off surgery and he is literally throwing himself in front of a shot to prevent a goal. Carlisle’s defensive work was excellent, just as his attacking work was disappointing; and that is fairly representative of the team. Any player who disappointed in one aspect of his game exceeded expectations in another.
We started off very quick out of the blocks, attacking almost constantly from the kick-off and soon went into a 2-0 lead which should have been 3-0 as Benyon was the victim of a strange offside decision; as he and the rest of our team were the victims of some strange refereeing decisions all day. Vale came back with a brilliant 30-yard screamer to take our record away and piled on the pressure for the last 10 minutes of the second half.
All first half I’d been particularly impressed by the way The Gulls played in pairs: we’re used to the link along the touchlines but it really was as if Nicho/Danny, Zebs/Benyon, Ellis/Pickler and Wroe/Manse knew exactly where each other were going to be without even looking. Wroe and Manse were also making triangles with each pair alongside them. I felt that relationship wasn’t quit as strong between Wayno and Robbo, but that’s no criticism as I’m sure it will improve when Carlisle plays more games. This ability to find each other blind extended into the second half and it was only as bodies, and consequently minds, tired that mistakes occurred: on one occasion Nicho played it into Wroe who immediately clipped it back along the touchline for Nicho’s run, which Nicho had failed to make. Angry words were said, which impressed me as proof that standards are high.
As expected, Vale came out in the second half with renewed intent, Adams having given them a rocket, and our game plan changed. We no longer attacked in numbers, but appeared content to sit back in midfield and disrupt everything Vale tried. Obviously Vale succeeded in making more chances but when they invariably turned towards the long-ball game, Pickler and Ellis were reading everything that came their way and clearing it. The Vale fans were queuing to leave with about 10 mins to go, aware they weren’t going to score and that the game was lost. We weren’t anywhere near as confident and I was nervous until about 30 seconds after the final whistle! Certainly the Marshall miss and Ellis goal-line clearance as described by NickGull was the point when I was certain they’d scored: one second the ball was heading for the net, the next it was rebounding away from the penalty area and although my eyes had clocked every moment of the process, my brain seemed unable to compute!
Apart from the usual MotM nominees already stated, and there’s no argument from me on any of them, I feel I have to single out three players for particular praise. I felt Elliot Benyon ran his socks off today and was a constant thorn in the side of the Vale defence, always hassling and pressing them to prevent them getting an incisive ball or pass away. His link-up play in the first half was impressive and as his forward effectiveness waned, he replaced it with sheer hard work. He might not have had the physical strength to challenge for many balls but that didn’t stop him trying. Not a MotM performance but for sheer hard work and effort he should get big marks. Also, Lee Mansell was simply brilliant at breaking up a lot the Vale moves in their infancy. Always darting around midfield, sticking his boot in where the ball was and generally upsetting the composure of the Vale midfield, he and Benyon were a major factor in keeping the pressure off our defence in the second half and keen students of the game will appreciate that we have players who will keep going even when things don’t appear to be going their way.
I’m not sure how to describe Eunan O’Kane. He clearly wasn’t a major contributor to the game as a whole but in the last half an hour was a constant menace. He was given a free role in midfield and invariably picked the ball up where you least expected him to but, rather than passing the ball long, he’d run at the Vale defence to tire them and drain them of their confidence. He should have scored just after he came on and maybe again at the very end of the game, but for me his running and vision were a major reason why we were able to hold out in the last 30 minutes against a very strong team who would have been desperate to win the game.
In the first half we were a very strong attacking team and in the second we were an irritatingly strong defensive team. We didn’t play the tiki-taka that was described last week, although we still tried to pass our way out of trouble throughout the game rather than hoof it, but we were hard-working and epitomised everything Arsene Wenger hates in the likes of Stoke and Blackburn. It wasn’t pretty for long periods but it was effective and nobody should mistake that for a poor performance.
We were fantastic, in the Northampton away rather than Rochdale home context.