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Post by merse on Oct 11, 2008 14:42:02 GMT
I don't have any pictures (may be someone on here does or knows how to "cut & paste"from their website) but yesterday I had to meet someone at the Harry Abrahams Stadium, the home of Wingate & Finchley F.C. not far from my home. What a pristine little ground, resplendent in the blue and white of the club that underlines the fact that they are the most senior genuinely Jewish football club in the country. The main stand has an unusual feature in that it has seats raked in two separate directions - one facing the adjacent rugby ground and the other facing into the football stadium. They share one common flat roof with the football club having added a wrap around frieze in art deco style that compliments other trimmings to the ground. There are two other covered roofs over immaculate terracing about six steps deep - behind one goal and on the half way line and the pitch is so sumptuous it looks like it has been trimmed with nail scissors! One other rather unique feature of the ground are the Yucca trees and Palms in concrete planters between the terracing and the main stand in one half of the pitch. As we stood and chatted in the warm Autumn sunshine we could have been in Israel itself such were the idyllic conditions! Wingate & Finchley are an amalgamation of the old Wingate Football Club (formed after World War 2 to promote an understanding of Jewish culture) and Finchley F.C. who were themselves one of the very earliest of established clubs from the time that organised football began. They play in Ryman League1 (North) three levels below the BSP,pay them a visit if you're in the area of Summers Lane N12.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2008 15:38:53 GMT
Very interesting Merse, and by coincidence I had just been reading an article that made mention of Leyton Wingate on the excellent 'Grounds for Concern' website. Strong Jewish connections in East London also as you would well realise. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lea Bridge Road. Home to Leyton FC. But old habits die hard. I still can't stop referring to the place as Leyton-Wingate. Whether this current club is a continuation of the original Leyton club is debatable, but then so is the much of the footballing history of east London, which is both incestuous and murderous. For a few years in the late eighties the two sets of fans got on really well. They were one of our first ever opponents in Supporters' football, and we played each other on the actual pitches at both Lea Bridge Road & the old Champion Hill. Such were their Jewish connections back then that there were Star of David tiles in the changing rooms. It was always a good day out for the Hamlet fans back then, as we'd go to Hackney dogs in the morning, if it was a Saturday game, and then onto our game. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If anyones interested here is a link to the site hoppysnaps.blogspot.com/2008/10/leyton.htmland here's the link that deals with the particular ground you mention Wingate & Finchley. hoppysnaps.blogspot.com/2008/09/wingate-and-finchley.html
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Post by merse on Oct 11, 2008 16:13:38 GMT
Great stuff Joe! Leyton F.C. (formed in 1868 -re-formed in 1997) are very much a Greek club now and owner/chairman Costas Sophocleous performs a near miracle keeping them going on two (that's right!) figure gates in the Ryman League1(North) They recently obtained a High Court ruling that THEY were the rightful club to call the heritage of the original Leyton F.C. their own and NOT Leyton Pennant F.C. who had also contested the right. Never a place for the faint hearted, there have been a number of major bundles at The Hare and Hounds over the years including two I was there for when the late Ronnie Duke manager of Hendon managing to get ejected by the police when his side were nine nil up away from home and STILL berated the match officials by peering over the perimeter wall whilst standing on a chair and a local Hackney & District Sunday Final which ended in bloody carnage with scaffolding poles being used as weapons, three ambulances and nine police vans being called and everyone of us who hadn't run away being held in the ground until the police had taken our details............all that over a "lairey" tackle! The "E10" is well smart and in fact has fixtures and fittings that Costas obtained when the Wembley auction was held after the old place was pulled down so that now when you sit down for dinner you've got your arse on a chair that the great and good have parked their jaxies on! I would recommend it to anyone and also suggest taking a look at Alpinejoe's link for a view of the Hare & Hounds.
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Post by Dave on Oct 12, 2008 7:39:52 GMT
Thank you Merse and Joe, a real interesting read, as someone who never gets past Penn Inn Roundabout(that was for Merse) It was really fascinating being in London In Tottenham and seeing Jewish people, so many all in suits and wearing hats.
I'm sure Rolf told me that Ajax were a Jewish club, I know Rolf has been to White Hart Lane and I thought that he had done so because he was Jewish himself. That Is not the case, It just seemed that he must be to me, because Of his trip and that Ajax Is a Jewish club. Unless I misunderstood what he told me ;D
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Post by merse on Oct 12, 2008 9:08:54 GMT
The folk you refer to Dave are of the Hassidic (Orthodox) Jewish community of Stamford Hill N16 -just South of Tottenham which in itself is not considered a Jewish area per se. They live a dedicated life often completely at odds with the more progressive Jews strictly observing the Sabbath and other Jewish customs (you'd never catch any "Freumers" at White Hart Lane on a Saturday) and are easily recognisable by their attire: Homburgs or trilbies over a kappa, frock coats, etc and all in the regulation black or dark blue. The boys will often be seen in little "Oliver Twist" caps with their temple locks tumbling down from shaved heads. Whenever I pass through "Volvo City" in the early hours before dawn there will be loads of rabbis scuttling about in their silk stockings and "Wagon Wheel" or "Cossack" fur hats leading groups of young boys to prayer at their synagogues. A stroll through the cobbled back streets of N16 is like taking a time machine back to nineteenth century Russia....................and you'll only hear Yiddish spoken. London Jewry has it's origins in the area due East of the old City Walls at what is now known as Brick Lane and nowadays associated with the Bengali Community.................it's where London has always "accommodated" the displaced and the persecuted and evidence of the switch from Hebrew to Islam was hit home to me the other morning when I made a 6am stop off at the famed Brick Lane Beigel shop (the last vestige of Jewish life down there) and got served by a fine Jewish Momma ably assisted by Ali, her Bengali cook! Such typical and pragmatic East End juxtaposition contrasting sharply with all the Jewish - Islamic intolerance in the world of the past and today. Whoever makes them, you can't beat a salt beef beigel at 6am in Brick Lane smothered in the hottest mustard one would ever need to shake the cobwebs off! Delicious, seriously delicious!!!!!!
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Post by Dave on Oct 12, 2008 9:39:02 GMT
Merse you never fail to impress me with your knowledge, I'm just starting to consider, should I start to travel a bit more. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2008 12:37:46 GMT
Have just found this thread, a few weeks after talking to a friend who was planning a visit to Wingate & Finchley (rather than attend our now-postponed game at Grays I'm afraid to say). I looked up a few things for him then which I'll now pass on. Much of the material comes from Alex White and Bob Lilliman's Football Grounds of London (2005). The club is named after Orde Wingate, a British army officer who served in Palestine and trained irregular Jewish forces against the Arabs. He died in 1944 so would have been fresh in the memory when the original Wingate FC was formed in 1946. The club soon purchased land and developed the Maccabi Sports Ground at Hendon where it played unitil 1972 when the ground was lost to the M1 extension. The Leyton-Wingate years followed with some members opting to establish a separate club which eventually merged with Finchley in the early 1990s. The new club played at Finchley's ground in Summers Lane which has also been known as the Bill Masters Stadium. Sadly we've missed them in the Trophy draw. Image and text from Kerry Miller's 1996 publication:
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