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Post by Bayern Gull on Apr 7, 2011 14:36:59 GMT
Another day, another stadium. Last Saturday I visited the home of the former DDR's most successful club. Dynamo won the DDR-Oberliga for ten consecutive seasons from 1979 to 1988. There were some former clubs, including one that was founded after Dynamo Dresden's best players were ordered/asked (depending on who you ask) to go to Berlin and form a team there in 1954. The current club was founded in 1966 and is infamous for a number of reasons. Their most famous supporter was Erich Mielke who was head of the Stasi during the clubs most successful period. A lot of controversy surrounded the club with accusations that unsportsmanlike activities in the background contributing to their on-field success. Following the fall of the Berlin Wall and the demise of the DDR, the club has spent most of its time in the 4th and 5th originally as FC Berlin before restoring the Dynamo part in 1999. Dynamo's fans have a fearsome reputation and I was warned by several German friends to be careful. The attendance at the game I saw was 422 and must have included at there were at least 100 skinheads. There were also a lot police for such a small crowd, there were 5 van loads of them. Despite the reputation, I actually found the locals quite friendly especially when they realized I was English. I had a good conversation with several about the DDR era. I'm not sure what people outside of football circles make of the Erich Mielke t-shirts though. The ultras fanzine I picked up also had a colour photo of him on the back. In actual fact, I don't think the fans are particularly political in any direction but that the reputation has created a kind of outlaw feeling about the club. There were no visiting fans at the game I saw but apparently 150 from TeBe turned up for the recent local derby and there were no incidents. Having said all that, it's clear that were the club ever to get back into a higher level there would be some challenges for the authorities. The stadium itself consists of a tiny stand with a notoriously unpractical roof. Out of the 2,400 seats there are only 40 that are effectively sheltered from the elements (presumably Erich Mielke sat in one of those). The rest of the ground is open terracing with a lot of dividing fences. You can see from some of the photos that some sections of the terracing are in a bad state of repair and would not be open at all if they were in the UK. The capacity is currently set at 12,400 with 10,000 standing places. The record attendance was the 20,000 that witnessed the 0-0 draw against Liverpool in a 1972 UEFA Cup game. I can remember wondering why some European games of that era kicked off early and I now realise that in some cases, like this one, it was because there were no floodlights. Later on, European games were played at the Friedrich Ludwig Jahn Sportpark which has floodlights.Other British teams that met Dynamo include Cardiff City, Notts Forest, Aston Villa and Aberdeen. Forest and Villa both beat Dynamo on their way to European Cup glory. One interesting note about championship stars. Dynamo have a star with a '10' in it to signify their 10 league (DDR-Oberliga) titles - a bit of an oddity for a club playing in the 5th tier. As for the game itself, it was not particularly memorable - a 1-1 draw against Malchower SV. The effort and commitment of the Dynamo players was good but the technique was lacking. On this evidence it will be some time before they are challenging for promotion to a higher level.
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Post by chrish on Apr 8, 2011 23:32:44 GMT
Really great photos and report there Bayern. Top notch stuff about a very interesting club. A lot of the former DDR teams went into relative obscurity after the wall came down. Then when unification didn't go as smoothly as planned we had a DDR revival as many in the old East struggled to feel an improvement in wealth and prosperity of reunification. Initially a lot of students from the west came to the old east in search of a very cheap life. Young people moved to Berlin and took over former parts of East Berlin. Now Berlin has got to the stage whereby it's starting to feel like one city rather than two vastly different halves with a weird no man's land in the middle. Thats not to say that suddenly there aren't any differences between leafy Charlottenburg in the old west and trendy Freiderichhain in the east anymore but the western suburb of Wedding for example, to the east of the Olympic Stadium, is looking quite run down these days when back in 1996 it certainly didn't seem that way. I think Hertha Berlin with a bit of momentum could go onto to do great things and a more settled city of Berlin will certainly help things. I will say that I've driven a fair bit in Berlin and the distance between The old east, the Brandenburg Gate and the Olympic Stadium is quite large. I had a chance to talk about this with some friends on my last couple of visits to Berlin and I get the impression that some see Hertha Berlin as just old West German team playing in a stadium constructed by the Nazis in a dead Western suburb when all the hip and happening things are all going on to the east of the new centre. To add a little something extra, I paid a visit to the Stasi museum in the old headquarters at Normannenstrasse in Lichtenburg, which was home to the East German Ministerium für Staatssicherheit (Ministry for State Security) or Stasi. Here are some photos to further illustrate Bayern's links between Erich Mielke and Dynamo Berlin plus a few others. The main building of the old Stasi complex The famous cloth sample taken from each person interrogated. There's a scene from the film The Lives of Others where the interrogator suggests that the suspect sits on his hands in order to leave a better scent. The idea was that there scent sample would be kept in a jar forever. A door from a trabant used as a listening device or given to unsuspecting recipients of new trabants pumped up the waiting list to act us unofficial spies for the Stasi A meeting room inside the Stasi HQ Bed for the late night interrogator? Erich Mielke, head of the Stasi Some Dynamo Berlin memorablia Some more office furniture Look at the bottom three pictures. The anti-graffitti van. One spray, no more Glasnost.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2011 8:56:23 GMT
The fate of the old Dynamo/Dinamo clubs is an intriguing one. When I saw Newcastle play in Zagreb in 1997 the locals were insistent it should be Dinamo Zagreb rather than Croatia Zagreb (as it then was). Now it’s NK Dinamo Zagreb.
And what of the fate of other clubs from the GDR? Glancing at the records one club from East Germany – Magdeburg – won the European Cup Winners’ Cup (which, of course, went the way of the GDR) whilst Carl Zeiss Jena and Lokomotiv Leipzig were runners-up.
Speaking of the latter, I thought it a great shame when Locomotive Llanberis dropped the first part of their name....
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Post by chrish on Apr 9, 2011 11:27:49 GMT
The fate of the old Dynamo/Dinamo clubs is an intriguing one. When I saw Newcastle play in Zagreb in 1997 the locals were insistent it should be Dinamo Zagreb rather than Croatia Zagreb (as it then was). Now it’s NK Dinamo Zagreb. And what of the fate of other clubs from the GDR? Glancing at the records one club from East Germany – Magdeburg – won the European Cup Winners’ Cup (which, of course, went the way of the GDR) whilst Carl Zeiss Jena and Lokomotiv Leipzig were runners-up. Speaking of the latter, I thought it a great shame when Locomotive Llanberis dropped the first part of their name.... Lokomotiv Leipzig had been reformed and are ticking along in the 5th Division. Post reunification they were renamed to VFB Leipzig (the name up until the second world war) but then reverted back to Lokomotiv again a few years ago. At the moment in Leipzig you have Lokomotiv, Sachsen Leipzig and Red Bull Leipzig (SSV Markranstädt, a 5th division side were bought and rebranded by drinks giant Red Bull!) who are now in the division above Lokomotiv and Sachsen Leipzig with both teams struggling to avoid relegation. Red Bull or RasenBall Leipzig are currently 4th in the Regionaliga Nord with Chemnitzer FC top and 1.FC Magdeburg just above the relegation zone. Both Dynamo Dresden and Carl-Zeiss Jena are currently 6th and 14th in the 3. Liga, with other old East German clubs Hansa Rostock and Rot-Weiss Erfurt trying to go up to the 2. Bundesliga. Dynamo Dresden have completely rebuilt their stadium. It's worth noting that both Dynamo Dresden and Carl Zeiss Jena didn't change their name post DDR collapse. Club history is club history I suppose. Governments and owners change. The club name shouldn't be tampered with. Dresden could host a very decent level of football. A bit like Berlin the city seems to have sorted itself out a bit post re-unification. When I first went there in 1998 the main centre was like an island in the middle of a wasteland now the gaps have been filled in and the city seem much more complete when I went back in 2009. Leipzig I went to in 1998 and 2010 and it's beginning to feel a bit more complete. It just has a vast feel to it in places. An absolutely enourmous train station seperated from the centre by what seems like the world's widest ring road.
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Post by Bayern Gull on Apr 10, 2011 15:19:49 GMT
To add a little something extra, I paid a visit to the Stasi museum in the old headquarters at Normannenstrasse in Lichtenburg, which was home to the East German Ministerium für Staatssicherheit (Ministry for State Security) or Stasi. Here are some photos to further illustrate Bayern's links between Erich Mielke and Dynamo Berlin plus a few others. .imageshack.us/img845/1000/dsc07909p.jpg [/IMG][/URL] [/quote] Thanks for posting those. Berlin is a bit like London in that however many times you go there are always a lot more places to visit. The Stasi Museum is now top of my list for next time!
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Post by Bayern Gull on Apr 10, 2011 15:32:25 GMT
The fate of the old Dynamo/Dinamo clubs is an intriguing one. When I saw Newcastle play in Zagreb in 1997 the locals were insistent it should be Dinamo Zagreb rather than Croatia Zagreb (as it then was). Now it’s NK Dinamo Zagreb. And what of the fate of other clubs from the GDR? Glancing at the records one club from East Germany – Magdeburg – won the European Cup Winners’ Cup (which, of course, went the way of the GDR) whilst Carl Zeiss Jena and Lokomotiv Leipzig were runners-up. Speaking of the latter, I thought it a great shame when Locomotive Llanberis dropped the first part of their name.... Lokomotiv Leipzig had been reformed and are ticking along in the 5th Division. Post reunification they were renamed to VFB Leipzig (the name up until the second world war) but then reverted back to Lokomotiv again a few years ago. At the moment in Leipzig you have Lokomotiv, Sachsen Leipzig and Red Bull Leipzig (SSV Markranstädt, a 5th division side were bought and rebranded by drinks giant Red Bull!) who are now in the division above Lokomotiv and Sachsen Leipzig with both teams struggling to avoid relegation. Red Bull or RasenBall Leipzig are currently 4th in the Regionaliga Nord with Chemnitzer FC top and 1.FC Magdeburg just above the relegation zone. Both Dynamo Dresden and Carl-Zeiss Jena are currently 6th and 14th in the 3. Liga, with other old East German clubs Hansa Rostock and Rot-Weiss Erfurt trying to go up to the 2. Bundesliga. Dynamo Dresden have completely rebuilt their stadium. It's worth noting that both Dynamo Dresden and Carl Zeiss Jena didn't change their name post DDR collapse. Club history is club history I suppose. Governments and owners change. The club name shouldn't be tampered with. Dresden could host a very decent level of football. A bit like Berlin the city seems to have sorted itself out a bit post re-unification. When I first went there in 1998 the main centre was like an island in the middle of a wasteland now the gaps have been filled in and the city seem much more complete when I went back in 2009. Leipzig I went to in 1998 and 2010 and it's beginning to feel a bit more complete. It just has a vast feel to it in places. An absolutely enourmous train station seperated from the centre by what seems like the world's widest ring road. I was just reaching for last week's Kicker but saw you had already answered Barton's post. Just one thing to add; 1. FC Magdeburg now have a nice new stadium with a capacity of just over 27,000 - unfortunately their attandances are a long way below that as they fight against relegation from the regionalized fourth tier. There latest attendances have been between 3 and 4,000. Incidentally, I was at Augsburg on Friday night for the game against Fürth - at last the crowds as coming (just over 30,000) but in time honored fashion they blew-it in an awful 0-0 draw. A win would have been a big step towards the top flight. That happens so many times . . . let's hope Torquay can do the business if the hoped for big crowd turns up for the Wycombe game. ,
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2011 20:53:05 GMT
Both Dynamo Dresden and Carl-Zeiss Jena are currently 6th and 14th in the 3. Liga, with other old East German clubs Hansa Rostock and Rot-Weiss Erfurt trying to go up to the 2. Bundesliga. Dynamo Dresden have completely rebuilt their stadium. It's worth noting that both Dynamo Dresden and Carl Zeiss Jena didn't change their name post DDR collapse. Club history is club history I suppose. Governments and owners change. The club name shouldn't be tampered with. You couldn't put down Carl Zeiss Jena....nor Newport County. Did they really once meet in the quarter-finals of the European Cup-Winners Cup? And, should you meet a taxi driver in Plymouth who claims to have scored twice in Jena, he may well be telling the truth....
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