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Post by stuartB on Apr 2, 2012 21:10:34 GMT
As many of you have seen today, it is 30 years ago that the Argentinian Forces captured The Falkland Islands.
Please take a moment to remember those that fought and sadly lost their lives, on both sides. There are people still suffering the consequences of this conflict also.
It doesn't matter what your point of view on the whys and wherefores are but the terrible loss of human life on what for at the end of the day?
i had just joined the RAF in 1982 and felt the nationalistic passion that erupted in this country and brought us all together which is something we have not felt since. I see a regular on the popside who went down to the Falklands with the Royal Marines and took part in the re-taking of Port Stanley
You have to ask yourself "why?" These are insignificant little islands in the middle of no where. Like then, now they make noises about oil being there. How many conflicts occur because of oil while other countries decimate their own but because they don't have oil, we don't seem to care
I watched a report about Argentina of today and got some re-assurance that there will be no further conflict but diplomatic pressure is as bad as it will get. Argentina since the military junta has not replaced any of its ageing aircraft and is unilaterally disarming.
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Post by rjdgull on Apr 2, 2012 23:00:24 GMT
They will be remembered as the media coverage is showing. Simon Weston is a brave man and speaks a lot of good sense but also shows what can happen during a conflict.
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Post by rjdgull on Apr 3, 2012 7:37:18 GMT
I've managed to dig out a Falklands tribute magazine purchased with pocket money in the summer of 1982. I will post it's pages up here shortly as it gives a good feel of the euphoric mood of the time.
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Post by register on Apr 3, 2012 15:37:24 GMT
As many of you have seen today, it is 30 years ago that the Argentinian Forces captured The Falkland Islands. Please take a moment to remember those that fought and sadly lost their lives, on both sides. There are people still suffering the consequences of this conflict also. It doesn't matter what your point of view on the whys and wherefores are but the terrible loss of human life on what for at the end of the day?i had just joined the RAF in 1982 and felt the nationalistic passion that erupted in this country and brought us all together which is something we have not felt since. I see a regular on the popside who went down to the Falklands with the Royal Marines and took part in the re-taking of Port Stanley You have to ask yourself "why?" These are insignificant little islands in the middle of no where. Like then, now they make noises about oil being there. How many conflicts occur because of oil while other countries decimate their own but because they don't have oil, we don't seem to care I watched a report about Argentina of today and got some re-assurance that there will be no further conflict but diplomatic pressure is as bad as it will get. Argentina since the military junta has not replaced any of its ageing aircraft and is unilaterally disarming. I think you answered your own question a few paragraphs down...OIL! In 50-60 years time when oil reserves get low, and we know that the antartic has shit loads there, do you think we'll say "oh well, it's such a beautyfull place so we must leave it in it's pristine state!"...well, the answer to that is no!. We'll go and take the bloody lot. It's the nature of the beast i'm afraid! |
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Post by lambethgull on Apr 3, 2012 16:13:31 GMT
I wasn't even 1 year old when the task force set sail from Portsmouth, but my feelings on it (like all wars really) can be summed up by the story of some graffiti apparently scrawled on a wall in Barcelona during the conflict, which read (in Spanish):
"Victory to Argentina! Down with Britain!"
To which someone replied underneath:
"Which Argentina? Which Britain?"
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Post by chelstongull on Apr 3, 2012 16:43:07 GMT
I wasn't even 1 year old when the task force set sail from Portsmouth, but my feelings on it (like all wars really) can be summed up by the story of some graffiti apparently scrawled on a wall in Barcelona during the conflict, which read (in Spanish): "Victory to Argentina! Down with Britain!" To which someone replied underneath: "Which Argentina? Which Britain?" Why? |
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Post by lambethgull on Apr 3, 2012 17:24:30 GMT
Because I agree with the sentiment. Being neither Argentine nor British, the person who replied was asking why the person who wrote the original message was rooting for all Argentinians and damning all Britons. Why was he? |
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Post by chelstongull on Apr 3, 2012 17:58:31 GMT
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Post by lambethgull on Apr 3, 2012 18:38:18 GMT
Knowing the area it was written in, I would suggest the motives were a mixture of support for a fellow Spanish speaking nation and leftist 'anti-imperialist' feeling against Britain. That was the prevailing thinking of the Spanish left at that time (as it still is btw). The reality is that you had an army of Argentinean conscripts fighting an army of working class Britons, none of whom had any say in whether to invade or defend. So what kind of idiot goes around writing blanket statements on walls in favour of one side or the other as if it's a football match? |
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Post by rjdgull on Apr 3, 2012 18:57:43 GMT
Because I agree with the sentiment. Being neither Argentine nor British, the person who replied was asking why the person who wrote the original message was rooting for all Argentinians and damning all Britons. Why was he? Sorry, Lambie, but you've got the wrong end of the stick here as taking into account that the Argentines are little more than Spanish immigrants, you will find that this was nothing more than a football slogan.  This goes back to the very early days of football when even Chelston was toddling around. Basically, it was the European cup final where Armada Madrid and Drake's Galleons were gunning against each other to be crowned champions! Although Armada Madrid were the overwhelming favourites, I think it is fair to say that the Galleons were on fire that day and partly inspired by Drake's drum, the Armada just could not handle them and were over-run in what was a comprehensive victory by any measure, from which the Armada never recovered! In fact, a number of songs from then are still sung today! A few of which are familiar to Torquay fans! "Going down, going down, going down!" "we're not sinking anymore" "Oooooahhh its a massacre" and "Cheerio, Cheerio, Cheerio" Anyway, to be fair the Brits did have home advantage, so to put matters beyond doubt, a rematch between successor teams was arranged in 1982, but this time with Hermes Harriers travelling away to Argentina's doorstep! Of course, there would have been a lot of interest in this rematch around the world and the first writer certainly was nailing his colours to the mast. However, looks like the second writer was not such a keen fan and didn't even know if it was the first team. reserve team or even the youth development team going out there, hence his question "Which Briton, Which Argentina?"  |
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Post by lambethgull on Apr 3, 2012 19:21:09 GMT
Because I agree with the sentiment. Being neither Argentine nor British, the person who replied was asking why the person who wrote the original message was rooting for all Argentinians and damning all Britons. Why was he? Sorry, Lambie, but you've got the wrong end of the stick here as taking into account that the Argentines are little more than Spanish immigrants, you will find that this was nothing more than a football slogan. So how come the buggers play Rugby then? Hard to imagine the Spanish playing rugby. Does the blame lie with the bleddy Patagonian Welsh? |
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Post by rjdgull on Apr 3, 2012 19:22:53 GMT
So what kind of idiot goes around writing blanket statements on walls in favour of one side or the other as if it's a football match? Ah, I think we are making the same point! |
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Post by chelstongull on Apr 3, 2012 19:24:19 GMT
I would suggest the motives were a mixture of support for a fellow Spanish speaking nation and leftist 'anti-imperialist' feeling against Britain. That I (think) understand, so the git who wrote the rest was some local thicky? |
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Post by rjdgull on Apr 3, 2012 19:26:41 GMT
Sorry, Lambie, but you've got the wrong end of the stick here as taking into account that the Argentines are little more than Spanish immigrants, you will find that this was nothing more than a football slogan. So how come the buggers play Rugby then? Hard to imagine the Spanish playing rugby. Does the blame lie with the bleddy Patagonian Welsh? That will be the North / South split then! Wouldn't like to say if it is the fault of the Welsh..... |
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Post by lambethgull on Apr 3, 2012 20:21:38 GMT
I would suggest the motives were a mixture of support for a fellow Spanish speaking nation and leftist 'anti-imperialist' feeling against Britain. That I (think) understand, so the git who wrote the rest was some local thicky? No Chelston, he was asking: "Which Argentines/British do you want to win/lose; the ones sending the soldiers or the ones being sent to do the fighting?" |
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