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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 7:32:40 GMT
Those delicious cream buns have a lot to answer for. No wonder Richard Hancox weighed 13 stone.
I had forgotten, till following Jon's link, that Stevenage had asked Mike Bateson for a bung in return for not selling Barry Hayles and so weakening their side. How did that story conclude, I wonder?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2012 13:08:41 GMT
I had forgotten, till following Jon's link, that Stevenage had asked Mike Bateson for a bung in return for not selling Barry Hayles and so weakening their side. How did that story conclude, I wonder? I'm not really sure and, as my memory of that time is rather hazy (a form of denial perhaps), I wouldn't want to venture into urban myth territory. Not even to pass on the hoary old tale of Barry Hayles nearly winning our Player of the Season award. But I confidently expected Stevenage to bite our bum at some future date. This involved fear and dread when it came to every FA Cup draw. Yet, when we started to play them from 2007 onwards, we tended to dominate them. Until.... Mr Hayles had a pretty decent career, didn't he? And this week the circle has practically been completed with him joining St Albans City (not too far from Stevenage and a couple of stops down the line from Chesterfield) from Truro.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Aug 15, 2012 18:36:37 GMT
A wise appraisal - as is the consideration of the Barry Hayles legend.
Do you mean a lack of appreciation by the supporters of Hancox or lack of appreciation by Hancox of the supporters that were at Rochdale?!
For what it's worth, I thought that Hancox wasn't a bad player (back when he joined that is, not when he gave supporters the "Tommy Tynan" up in Lancashire that day!) for a couple of seasons, just one that outstayed his welcome - and then some! As Jon mentioned, he had an incredible week in 94/95 and that hat-trick is one that I'll not forget - I can only recall being present at Plainmoor for one or two other Torquay players doing the same. It was the spectacular nature in which he did it though that will live in the memory. We've certainly seen many worse come through the doors.
The same goes for Luke Gutteridge and another young player called Simon Travis who was released back in 95/96 and moved-on to a decent Stockport side and only didn't play full-time football for a while as he pursued studying for a degree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2012 12:52:57 GMT
Summat strange is going on around here because another copy of LFITG has turned up in the Chesterfield Oxfam shop. Is there a connection with Barton Downs' visit to town on Tuesday, I wonder?
Also in there, and now in my possession along with the two left feet (one hardback, one paperback), is my favourite of all inside-football books, and written, coincidentally, by another Everton fan. It's My Father And Other Working Class Football Heroes by Gary Imlach. If you've never read it I recommend that you do so soon.
Gary Imlach is the cool and witty presenter of ITV4's Tour de France coverage. His book is nothing to do with cycling though. It is a fascinating (and moving) biography of his dad Stewart, who played in the 1950s and 60s for Lossiemouth, Bury, Derby County, Nottingham Forest, Luton Town, Coventry City, Crystal Palace and Scotland.
Has anyone else read this, and if so what did you think of it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2012 21:49:31 GMT
I've yet to discover Oxfam in Chesterfield and, besides, Garry Nelson's book is on the core "to keep" list.
Yes, I've read the Gary Imlach book and thought it was excellent. I imagine it's a book that would also work for some people who aren't particularly interested in football. And, if you are, it doesn't really matter if you haven't heard of Stewart Imlach. Funnily enough, I knew of him through the programmes I read as a teenaged, long-distance Evertonian.
But I won't be saying any more tonight. I've promised myself an early night.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 15:56:29 GMT
With half-an-eye on finally dispatching my copy to Oxfam I'm re-reading Garry Nelson's "Left Foot in the Grave?" after a gap of seventeen years. The book records our 1996/97 season; it was published soon afterwards.
Because it's about Torquay United I was unable to initially read the book in an ordinary fashion. The events were too fresh in the memory and there was a lot of self-congratulatory "that's exactly how I saw it" smugness on my behalf.
All these years later the book reads as a catalogue of half-forgotten players and even more vaguely remembered games. And, in a way, the diary format is rather similar to how the story of each season unravels on forums such as this. The themes are familiar: we were unlucky; if only this and that had happened; we need to strengthen the team; we're a bit short of cash; just as things are looking better they begin to tail off; out of nothing comes a good result and renewed hope. The insights are often useful - it's revealing which players Hodges and Nelson were unsuccessful in signing - and, yes, it was compelling at the time. But, from afar, it's not terribly exciting and old timers might be left with the feeling of exactly how many times they've been around the block watching this club of ours.
Yet I wouldn't want to discourage anybody from picking up the book again. You'll get something out of it. But maybe now is not the best time to read the book. Had I re-read it after a good season I may have been cheered about how things have improved. Read in May 2014 it comes across as a further lesson in how things change but remain the same. An oddly mundane story: another team; another season when you strip it to basics. Even as a hard-bitten Torquay United supporter there's an air of fruitlessness about it on second reading. That's not Nelson's fault; just the reality of a less than remarkable season that wouldn't normally be recalled. Such ordinariness should make it fascinating. It does have interest, of course, to the point of reminding us that - as Jon recently put it - "We are Torquay United. We struggle along. This is what we do". Otherwise I just wish that there were published diaries from earlier periods of the club's history. Now those would be truly fascinating.
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Post by Jon on May 24, 2014 8:21:33 GMT
as Jon recently put it - "We are Torquay United. We struggle along. This is what we do". It was battle not struggle. More valiant and heroic than desperate and resigned. Torquay United will battle on. It's what we do.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 9:27:00 GMT
It was battle not struggle. More valiant and heroic than desperate and resigned. I do apologise. My memory is not as sharp as it was; there are several things I've missed recently when it comes to this football club of ours. You're right about the nobility of "battle" as opposed to the desperation of struggle. Did you come up with the Latin? I've tried Google translation. I think we can do without the Latin for "United" - or any of its derivations - and I'm sure the outcome will appal the classical scholars amongst us: "Torquay Foederatarum erit dimicandum. Sed quid facimus."
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