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Post by crispygull on Nov 11, 2008 21:55:16 GMT
... be in TWO places at the same time?  According to the interview he gave on the Official site, he reckons he will "go and watch the replay next week". www.torquayunited.com/page/News/0,,10445~1449199,00.html The only problem being that the Dorchester v Oxford game is being played next Tuesday evening, the same night that we are playing a BSP home game against Lewes! I suppose he could leave Shaun North in charge for this game, as for a large part of the season he (Bucks) has taken a back seat (or rather one in the old grandstand!) for most home games, but I would still be a little surprised if he opted to miss this game over the other one. |
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2008 22:03:02 GMT
I would not be surprised crispy, you would think that the Lewes game should be three points In the bag, I know we should not count Our chickens, but would you bet against us.
We really do need to make It Into the third round Of the FA cup, as we have talked about on here, our gates are low, Income Is down and the FA cup gives the club the chance to earn sone big money to Off set the drop In Income.
I know If I was the chairman what game I would tell Bucks to go and watch, any money through the gate at the Lewes game, will not be effected If Bucks Is there Or not, but go to the replay game and learn all he needs too, to get us Into the next round, Is whats best In my view.
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Post by jamie on Nov 11, 2008 22:12:55 GMT
Agree totally dave, I think that we certainly shouldn't count chickens but the cup game will play a big role in the rest of our season.
Poor gates and finances coming in mean we have to really go for it for the 3rd round and hope for a lucky draw.
Buckle should be more than capable of leaving the lewes game in the hands of north for this game.
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Post by scottbrehaut on Nov 11, 2008 22:33:09 GMT
I strongly disagree - the manager should be managing the team - if he wants Dorchester v Oxford watched he should send one of the other coaches - or North himself to go and watch it, and report back to him with the news.
Simply not going to the Lewes game shows utter contempt for the opposition, and reeks of arrogance and big time charlie type attitude - we are in the same league as Lewes, and shouldn't take them for granted just because of where they, and we, are in the league.
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2008 22:42:53 GMT
Scott, I agree we should not take any team for granted, but you say
not going to the Lewes game shows utter contempt for the opposition, and reeks of arrogance and big time charlie type attitude
How does not going show contempt? why would bucks have a big chalie attitude? Our club needs to be able to keep the very best side It can at the club. Failure to Increase the income Of the club may well result In players being put on the transfer list In January.
I would rather he does what he feels He needs to to, to get us In to the third round, If we get a good draw, that will earn the club big money, that has to be better surly. Then we would have no worries about keeping all the players and might even be able to add to the squad.
Getting back to div2 Is all that Is important and a good cup run, may just be the very thing to make It happen.
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Post by scottbrehaut on Nov 11, 2008 22:49:07 GMT
Results in the league is what will get us into Division 2 - nothing else.
I DO want us to get into the 3rd round of the FA Cup - it would be great, and yes we do need the money, but I think that Bucks should be in charge of the team when we come out against Lewes - if he doesnt trust North enough to be able to provide him with a good enough analysis then send somebody that he does think will provide him with one.
Yes, money is very welcome at this time, but as you say promotion is all that counts - winning against Lewes is one step closer to that goal, getting into the 3rd round of the cup isnt.
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Post by joebarlow on Nov 11, 2008 22:54:35 GMT
I think that Bucks should be at the match in charge and if Bucks wants to get a good report on the Oxford/Dorchester game either send Saun North or a scout to do a report for him. I belive that a manager is manager till he isnt manager no more and should be at matches.
But if he himself goes instead of the Lewes game I will still support him but I think it may send the wrong messege to fans, to Lewes and masy put out a bad messege about ourselves to the rest of the league.
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Post by Dave on Nov 11, 2008 22:56:16 GMT
You miss the point Scott, to win promotion will not come down to winning against Lewes, It will be the second half Of the season, where we really will need to make sure we are winning most Of our games.
As I said the club as budgeted this season on gates Of 3000, not 2000 and you have to ask how long It can keep paying for all the players we have. If It was the case that we could not increase our income(third round fa cup)then you could see players having to leave.
Face the second half Of the season with a smaller and weaker squad, would make the one thing we really want, even harder to get. So lets forget Lewes, get Into the 3rd round Of the cup, get lucky and the rest will all fall Into place.
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Post by scottbrehaut on Nov 11, 2008 23:00:05 GMT
So, we lose against Lewes then, and come the end of the season we miss out by three points because Bucks was at another game scouting the opposition so that we could then get a bit of extra money to allow us to keep the players we have at the club - we then miss out via the playoffs again, more fans desert the club and so we go around again.....its a vicious circle, and obviously a hypothetical situation, but one that could happen.
I would rather we concentrate our efforts on the league, and in winning it, thus automatic promotion, anything else is a bonus in my opinion.
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Post by joebarlow on Nov 11, 2008 23:01:35 GMT
Good point Dave but I sure that we can get either a scout or Saun North to go to the match instead. I dont see the manager of Oxford or Dorchester coming to our game instead of sending a scout instead.
Promotion may or may not be hanging ion this particular match but 3 points is 3 points and we need them to get promotion so we need our manager who knows the team the best and knows what to do in matches.
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Post by tufc01 on Nov 11, 2008 23:30:18 GMT
So, we lose against Lewes then, and come the end of the season we miss out by three points because Bucks was at another game scouting the opposition so that we could then get a bit of extra money to allow us to keep the players we have at the club - we then miss out via the playoffs again, more fans desert the club and so we go around again.....its a vicious circle, and obviously a hypothetical situation, but one that could happen. I would rather we concentrate our efforts on the league, and in winning it, thus automatic promotion, anything else is a bonus in my opinion. I ABSOLUTELY agree with both your posts, and your argument Scott. Buckle should definitely take charge (and I'm pretty sure he will) of the team against Lewes. He has a fantastic back up team who will be able to watch the Oxford v Dorchester game. To make the money in the FA Cup that people are talking about it assumes that we get drawn against Man Utd away, we haven't got into the 3rd round yet and we are just as likely to be drawn away to the winners of Notts County v Kettering/Lincoln, which wouldn't bring an awful lot of money, certainly not a season changing amount. Promotion HAS to be the priority. This season it is very very close at the top, 3 points could easily make the difference, EVERY point/ 3points counts, so i see no reason why Buckle would change anything and miss a league match to go watch someone else. I would imagine that he, like me,assumed the replays were this week. |
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Post by rjdgull on Nov 12, 2008 7:05:27 GMT
IMO the league is the absolute priority and promotion will bring its own awards! We are already postponing one league game to play in the 2nd round and playing catch up brings its own pressure as we found out last year.
As I have posted on the match day thread, wins against York and Lewes will probably put us top of the league and I rather other teams play catch up when we are away in the cup.
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Post by buster on Nov 12, 2008 13:35:52 GMT
I understand both arguments.
what do we fear in PB not being present at Plainmoor?
1.the players should be profesional enough not to get phased pre game and should know their tactics from training.
2. What match changing decisions are made on your average home game? Subs normally only occur in last 10 mins, any injury would be like for like. there are few tactical changes made mid game.
3. Half time talk - theres enough characters in the squad to get the team through the second half.
4. The other team - I doubt Lewes will change their approach because PB isn`t present.
We surely have the quality in the squad to treat or cope with both games equally.
finacial implications
1. Imagine the situation january when the chance to buy a GK comes along, would be handy if we had a stash following a tasty visit to old trafford ( no disrespect to Hilly)
2. I don`t want us to go down the route of Lewes, Rushden, Weymouth or Salisbury. We need the cash lets make no mistake. If we get promoted we may need it in the summer. If we don`t get promoted we may need it even more.
So personally I don`t think we should be putting all our eggs in one basket. Give some credit to those who would be at plainmoor. If PB goes to Dorchester he would do so knowing he trusts the coaches & players. Though you could argue that if he goes to Dorchester it could be argued he doesn`t truest anyone elses scouting.
Whatever decision PB makes I fully support.
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Post by Rob on Nov 12, 2008 15:17:44 GMT
Have to agree with tufc01, that when bucks said he was going to the replay, he hadn't appreciated it was on the same night as Lewes. He will be at our game - OF COURSE.
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Post by Dave on Nov 12, 2008 17:33:40 GMT
Thank you buster for putting what I was trying to say, in a much clearer form, I fully agree that Bucks not being at the game against Lewes would not have any effect On the result.
You can be sure it will be he who will pick the team and how It will play, he will also be In phone contact with North at all times and may even make decisions from the game he Is at.
What I find Interesting Is the different view points made and I wonder If based on some views, If those who made them, live their lives In the same way. I will explain what I mean by that shortly, but first one view felt that by not being at the Lewes game, that Bucks would be showing disrespect.
Other views were about making sure we grab the three points now, while my view and busters were looking more long term.I still feel that we need to be only In the FA cup and working to gain promotion and that we need to get out Of the other cups as soon as possible.
I can't speak for buster, but I come from a background where I have always felt there Is a tomorrow, so you need to save for a rainy day. Not Ant Is like so many younger people who only live for today and not even think about tomorrow.
So I wonder, do those who feel that we should just make sure get the three points and not have Bucks away watching our next FA cup team we have to play, live just for today In their real lives?You see I think I wanted to look longer term and the need to get as far as we can In the FA Cup, as I feel we will need the extra money to help our chances Of promotion.
Its no good getting three point against Lewes, If after Xmas we have to let players go and then struggle to compete so well In the second half Of the season. Plus as buster said, If we were to go up, we will need extra funds to be able to have a team that would be able to compete, In div2.
The gates are not going to provide the money needed, so lets trust Bucks judgment and faith In those who will manage the team while he Is elsewhere and hope that by watching the reply game, he will help him to get us Into round three Of the fa cup.
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