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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 10:41:00 GMT
When I was serving with UN in Cyprus in 1997, our new Force Commander was an Argentinian general. It made the British press at the time, as we were the first British soldiers to serve under an Argentinian commander. In reality, we couldn't have cared less; soldiers are soldiers and a general, no matter what nationality, is given the respect he is due. Only decent officers make that rank. His name was Evergisto A. de Vergara, and he turned out to be superb commander. I also remember the day I met his aide-de-camp, for the first time. This Argentinian major came into my office and spoke to me in perfect English, with a slight Scottish lilt to it. I looked at his name badge and saw he was called Skinner. Turned out his father was a Scot who married an Argentinian and then settled in Argentina. He could have joined the British army but when he looked into it, he wasn't too keen on our postings! It always struck me how incongruous it was that Argentinians had been throwing their own people out of helicopters during Junta rule, only a few years before, yet all of the many Argentinians I met in my 2 years in Cyprus were absolutely enchanting people. At the end of the day all the British and Argentinian soldiers involved in the Falklands (I was one) knew we were just being shafted by arsehole politicians trying to make a name for themselves. At least, unlike Blair and today's politicians, the ones f**k**g us about in '82 had served in the Forces so had some idea what it was like. Blair was just a cnut, and still is. A big mate of mine (Paul Atherton: Two Para) was there, did you know him? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 8:45:27 GMT
I'll take that as a no then!
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Post by Rob on Oct 21, 2017 22:45:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 18:06:02 GMT
I was at a loose end (I mean, how many times can you actually masturbate) so I thought I would play 'I Spy!' No mention of a Curry, a bet with Jon or the Dumpling, so not really for you Chelston...but I will rectify that in my next post!
Because it is so difficult, I will give you a couple of clues along the way.
Right, here goes.
I Spy (first clue) with my little (second clue) eye, someone with the initials J.C!
You'll never get it, so I don't expect to be swamped with replies, but because I'm such a nice guy, I will let you all know in a couple of days!
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Post by chelstongull on Feb 18, 2018 19:16:48 GMT
so not really for you Chelston As it mentions Corbynista... |
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Post by Jon on Feb 18, 2018 23:19:09 GMT
As it mentions Corbynista... No. You are going to have to give me a bigger clue than that. Is it Johnny Cornforth? Chris Roberts' mother was a Czech spy. Hang on a minute. JC 1949 - CR 1969. Could Chris Roberts be Jeremy's love child? Who is going to break the news to Alpine Joe? |
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Post by Rob on Feb 18, 2018 23:28:02 GMT
As it mentions Corbynista... Who is going to break the news to Alpine Joe? Probably easiest coming from me. Was it Jesus, Reg? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 10:58:00 GMT
Nope, sorry Rob, it's not the big man himself!
I can see I am going to have to give out another clue...mmmmmmmmmmm let me think.
The person in question (JC) is big mates with someone with the initials G A. Clue: This guy goes down a bomb in London!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 14:53:09 GMT
That extra clue has made all the difference. I deduce that G.A is most probably Gerry Adams. Now we need to identify someone also thought to have plenty of friends in the Republic, rather than working for Britain's interests in the Unionist North. Therefore I can confidently proclaim the answer has to be Jack Charlton  |
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Post by plainmoorpete on Feb 20, 2018 7:57:19 GMT
I think we all know one thing which is true, if a Labour government had been in charge at the time of the Falklands crisis, the people in the Falklands would now be speaking Argentinian! Because as we all know, Labour incumbents ( the abhorrent Blair ) only go to war to puff up their egos, not because it's needed! Can you imagine if Corbett had been in charge ! He would have got hold of his Venezuelan dictator mate, sided with the Argentine government and attacked the bloody Falkland islanders!  That's not true. In 1977 whilst the labour party was in power the Argentinians were making threatening noises about the Falklands so the foreign secretary, David Owen, sent a nuclear submarine to the south Atlantic to prove Britain's intent on defending the islands. The Falklands war came about because the thatcher governments defence cost cutting lead to the withdrawal of military units from the islands leading the Argentines to believe that Britain was abandoning the islands. The Argentines did not believe Britain would fight for the islands. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 9:47:55 GMT
I think we all know one thing which is true, if a Labour government had been in charge at the time of the Falklands crisis, the people in the Falklands would now be speaking Argentinian! Because as we all know, Labour incumbents ( the abhorrent Blair ) only go to war to puff up their egos, not because it's needed! Can you imagine if Corbett had been in charge ! He would have got hold of his Venezuelan dictator mate, sided with the Argentine government and attacked the bloody Falkland islanders! That's not true. In 1977 whilst the labour party was in power the Argentinians were making threatening noises about the Falklands so the foreign secretary, David Owen, sent a nuclear submarine to the south Atlantic to prove Britain's intent on defending the islands. The Falklands war came about because the thatcher governments defence cost cutting lead to the withdrawal of military units from the islands leading the Argentines to believe that Britain was abandoning the islands. The Argentines did not believe Britain would fight for the islands. Sending a nuclear submarine and sending troops is quite another matter pete. I still stand by the fact that if labour had been in control we would not have retaken the Falkland's...certainly not if Corbett were in charge, who has openly stated that he would not use a nuclear deterrent if we were attacked! Maybe the abhorrent Blair would have sent in the troops but that's doubtful...because without Bush holding his hand I doubt he can even have a shit! If Maggie wasn't cremated, I think we should dig her up, because she sure as shit would do a better job than May is doing in getting us out of the EU.........even though poor old Maggie has been dead all these years! Maggie sorted out the Argies...she sorted out the Unions...she sorted out labour! Long live Maggie...or maybe not! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 11:32:37 GMT
That extra clue has made all the difference. I deduce that G.A is most probably Gerry Adams. Now we need to identify someone also thought to have plenty of friends in the Republic, rather than working for Britain's interests in the Unionist North. Therefore I can confidently proclaim the answer has to be Jack Charlton Oh, you were so close AJ, barring the fact that Jack Charlton is ten feet taller than the JC in question! I can see there is nothing for it but to tell you. It's Jezza...yeah...Jezza Corbett! Or as he's known in his own country...Comrade Jezzal Corbettski! Sometimes, i crack myself up! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 14:57:25 GMT
Reg  I tend to agree that Maggie was the best bet for getting the Argies shifted from the Falklands and sent packing back to where they belong, whereas Pete could well be right that Labour may have ensured we presented a stronger deterrent so as to avoid the invasion in the first place. By April 1982 when the Argentinians invaded, Michael Foot was Labour leader and I'm less confident that he would have ordered a military response, particularly given the influence of some international powers trying to dissuade us. You really did need a bloody minded unwavering Maggie at the helm to be able to push through with it. Blair ? I think most would agree he'd go along with whatever Washington told him. While he was always for using our forces to join in with U.S 'regime change' policy around the globe, taking back the Falklands probably wouldn't have held much interest for Blair and even less for America. Which brings us to Jezza. Yep, he would have been the man for the job. Maggie did magnificently well, but Jezza would have done even better ! Maggie and The Tories had to overcome hurdles (due to wanting to remain pally with the Yanks) that Jezza just wouldn't have had to concern himself with. Remember, we had hell's delight trying to persuade the Yanks not to tip off the Argies in advance about us landing on South Georgia. Additionally, the moment we'd taken Port Stanley, the Yanks wanted us to withdraw all our forces from the Falklands while they and a majority force of Brazilians took over as peacekeepers. Do you imagine that we'd ever have got sovereignty back while negotiations took place under those conditions ? And all because the U.S was afraid that Galtieri would be toppled if we pressed ahead for total victory. He'd be chucked out and replaced by a Left Winger....or he'd invite the Russians and Cubans in to help him out to stave off total defeat. Now put Jezza in charge. An ingrained dislike for a right wing military dictator to start with, plus the U.S, who he equally hates, urging him not to do anything rash, remembering that they were quite happy with Galtieri in power. Jezza first of all sticks two fingers up to the Yanks, before getting onto the phone to his mate Fidel. Throughout the 1980's Castro was sending his troops all over the place to help out his mates....and what bigger mate of his would there have been been than British P.m Jezza Corbett ? Would we have even needed to send a task force ? Cuba is a bit closer isn't it ? Our contribution could have been lots of warm clothes and a 'good luck lads' telegram while the Cubans took back the islands for us. All the while with a fall back position of calling on additional Soviet assistance if required. So well done Maggie, but same result for Prime Minister Jezza, only with far less British blood spilt. link - US hoped to tip off Argies about Britan's plans |
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Post by plainmoorpete on Feb 25, 2018 4:12:16 GMT
That's not true. In 1977 whilst the labour party was in power the Argentinians were making threatening noises about the Falklands so the foreign secretary, David Owen, sent a nuclear submarine to the south Atlantic to prove Britain's intent on defending the islands. The Falklands war came about because the thatcher governments defence cost cutting lead to the withdrawal of military units from the islands leading the Argentines to believe that Britain was abandoning the islands. The Argentines did not believe Britain would fight for the islands. The Foreign Secretary couldn't have authorised that action, then or now. Owen might have suggested the establishment of a task force but the fine detail of such a force would have been the remit of the Secretary of State for Defence, whoever that was in 1977, in conjunction with the heads of the 3 armed forces. It would have been the PM at the time - Callaghan, as it was - who put it to parliament for approval. He would have done that after consultation with the FS and the Secretary of State for Defence. |
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