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Post by rjdgull on Jan 10, 2021 16:36:57 GMT
link - good tweet explaining a lot of misconceptions better than I including the “with Covid” old chestnut.
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Post by Jon on Jan 10, 2021 16:54:29 GMT
We all have opinions Jon, some of which make us look good, some which make us look like Plonkers! Your continued tirades against the club owner make you look like a complete Plonker, a complete Arse and a complete Fool... Best if you keep to the football side...we don’t want you having a heart attack. 🙂 There are opinions and there are facts Reg. You are full of the former but do not have a very good grip of the latter. Your accusation of "continued tirades against the club owner" is untrue. I've just looked back over the last 20 pages of my "recent postings" and the owner does not get a mention. I am pretty good at sticking to the football side - unlike some who fill this forum with utter crap. I have never said anything at all untrue or unfair about the owner. I stick by the rule that I never say anything on here about anybody that I would not be 100% happy to say to their face. This is in contrast to the snidey cowardly behaviour of AJ who hides behind a username to misrepresent people and spread lies and untruths about them when he could easily have met up with them to discuss any concerns he may have had if he really had any. But if course, he didn't. He was just shit stirring. What you will find from me if you dig back far enough are warnings about allowing property developers to get their hands on the freehold of the football ground. I don't think you ever really understood why this was and doubt if you ever will. As I say, enjoy the football while it is good but never take your eye off the ball of preserving the long-term future of the club. The warning still applies. |
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Post by Jon on Jan 10, 2021 17:25:46 GMT
I've just looked back over the last 20 pages of my "recent postings" and the owner does not get a mention. I am pretty good at sticking to the football side - unlike some who fill this forum with utter crap. I have never said anything at all untrue or unfair about the owner. I stick by the rule that I never say anything on here about anybody that I would not be 100% happy to say to their face. My last mention of Mr Osborne was over a year ago. Straight statement of fact - no opinion. Readers of financial accounts will know that in the year to 30/6/18, Torquay United posted a record-shattering financial loss of £959,000. The loan outstanding to Clarke Osborne increased by £965,000 to £1.42 million. The one before that was back in April 2019. Again, straight statement of fact. If anything a a supportive nudge that there was a genuine error no wrongdoing. The accounts again wrongly state that Toklon Limited is the ultimate parent company. It is not. Toklon sold RSL to Clarke Osborne. I did mention a year ago that I was sure this was a genuine error and not a deliberate attempt to mislead. You have to go back to November 2018 to find anything remotely critical - a light-hearted reminder that the promise to build a new stadium by 2020 was one that very few of us ever believed. Although I am quite sure Reg did and that AJ pretended he did to try to annoy people. A bit shocked to read the venues for Elton John's farewell tour: www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/going-out/music/elton-john-farewell-yellow-brick-13550641Gordon Oliver has told me that his personal friend Elton has been ringing him up and demanding that a stadium be built so that he can fulfill his lifetime ambition of playing a concert in Torquay. Clarke Osborne has confirmed the the Osborne Arena will be up and running by 2020. Why have the Torquay dates not been announced with the other arena dates? I just can't understand it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2021 18:39:23 GMT
We all have opinions Jon, some of which make us look good, some which make us look like Plonkers! Your continued tirades against the club owner make you look like a complete Plonker, a complete Arse and a complete Fool... Best if you keep to the football side...we don’t want you having a heart attack. 🙂 There are opinions and there are facts Reg. You are full of the former but do not have a very good grip of the latter. Your accusation of "continued tirades against the club owner" is untrue. I've just looked back over the last 20 pages of my "recent postings" and the owner does not get a mention. I am pretty good at sticking to the football side - unlike some who fill this forum with utter crap. I have never said anything at all untrue or unfair about the owner. I stick by the rule that I never say anything on here about anybody that I would not be 100% happy to say to their face. This is in contrast to the snidey cowardly behaviour of AJ who hides behind a username to misrepresent people and spread lies and untruths about them when he could easily have met up with them to discuss any concerns he may have had if he really had any. But if course, he didn't. He was just shit stirring. What you will find from me if you dig back far enough are warnings about allowing property developers to get their hands on the freehold of the football ground. I don't think you ever really understood why this was and doubt if you ever will. As I say, enjoy the football while it is good but never take your eye off the ball of preserving the long-term future of the club. The warning still applies. You might want to go back and look at those 20 pages again, because at the bottom of every one of those pages are the words...I don’t really trust them not to build more houses and then not deliver the stadium and just sod off! That is an attack on the owner, and as it’s on every page that makes it a continued attack. On and on you go about the future of the club...without Osborne there would be no club, no long term future, just a hole in the bloody ground where the home of TUFC used to be! I assume that I am the person who fills this site with utter crap. Fortunately, we are all different and look at things from different perspectives. What I find funny and amusing, you probably find boring and dull...and Vicky Verky. You did get one thing right though...let’s enjoy the football while it’s good! 🤘 |
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Post by Rob on Jan 10, 2021 22:22:13 GMT
AJ. And to a lesser extent admittedly, Reg. You get a bit of it back and start crying like babies. Get a bloody grip. I detest that word snowflake you and others use, but come on gents.
And yes. As you say Reg, let’s enjoy the good football while it lasts. Because it never lasts at a small club and must be appreciated while it’s happening. That much has been proven statistically time and again since the game started.
I did laugh at the Monty Python clip and genuinely hope AJ that you were able to see the funny side, too. But we have been here before with strops when the wind up gets blown out of the water. It’s not a good look. And you’re better than that. Even I am and I’ve been told I can post nonsense lefty crap now and again. Come on.
We all share plenty and the main thing we share has been bloody helpful in keeping the spirits going in these challenging times for so many of us who haven’t thankfully suffered the worst ravages of this pandemic to our personal health having been able to still post on a football forum. Though many of us will have been effected in so many other ways and may yet still.
Stay safe everyone.
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Post by Jon on Jan 10, 2021 23:12:35 GMT
You might want to go back and look at those 20 pages again, because at the bottom of every one of those pages are the words...I don’t really trust them not to build more houses and then not deliver the stadium and just sod off! That is an attack on the owner, and as it’s on every page that makes it a continued attack. Oh I see. You are referring to the signature on my posts which I hadn't changed for years and indeed had forgotten how to change. That isn't continued tirades is it? It isn't an attack anyway and they are not my words. It is a verbatim quote from Toby Elliott, the deputy chair of Swindon Borough Council’s Planning Committee. It did make me laugh as it was surprisingly unparliamentary language for such a person to use - a measure of his frustration. He said: “It’s been incredibly frustrating trying to get this stadium delivered.
“I don’t want to see another house constructed on the site until Gaming International deliver a new speedway stadium that is good for Swindon.
“It shows the esteem the developer shows this committee that they can’t be bothered to turn up tonight - it’s disgusting frankly.
He added: "I don’t really trust them not to build more houses and then not deliver the stadium and just sod off, basically. We need to put a line in the sand because the developer is still in breach of the previous section 106 agreement. We should say what enforcement we’re going to bring.”
www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17221029.swindon-speedway-stadium-dog-track-plan-swindon-approved/So as not to offend you further, I have worked out how to change my signature back to what it used to be - so you will now see a "continued tirade" of positivity about the ability of football clubs, similar in size to ours, to bounce back from all sorts of disasters. On and on you go about the future of the club...without Osborne there would be no club, no long term future, just a hole in the bloody ground where the home of TUFC used to be! Your comment here demonstrates exactly why you have totally missed the point of my posts re the freehold and how you should be in agreement with me on this matter. If Osborne had not come in there would not be "just a hole in the bloody ground where the home of TUFC used to be". Why? Precisely because the club does NOT own the freehold. If the worst had come to the worst, it is possible that the limited company that runs Torquay United would have been liquidated. If that had happened, a relaunched club would have been able to pick up the lease from the council. This is exactly what has happened at Chester, Halifax, Hereford, Aldershot, etc. But if the football club actually owned the freehold, liquidation of the limited company running the football club would indeed mean "just a hole in the bloody ground where the home of TUFC used to be". Can you see why separation of club and freehold is a good thing? I am sure I have explained this many times before - to the extent that, unlike AJ, I get sick and tired of repeating the same thing again and again. Of course, AJ fully understands what I am saying, but chooses to lie and misrepresent what I am saying. I don't think you would do that, but don't think you have ever really understood what is really being said and why. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 9:45:01 GMT
AJ. And to a lesser extent admittedly, Reg. You get a bit of it back and start crying like babies. Get a bloody grip. I detest that word snowflake you and others use, but come on gents. And yes. As you say Reg, let’s enjoy the good football while it lasts. Because it never lasts at a small club and must be appreciated while it’s happening. That much has been proven statistically time and again since the game started. I did laugh at the Monty Python clip and genuinely hope AJ that you were able to see the funny side, too. But we have been here before with strops when the wind up gets blown out of the water. It’s not a good look. And you’re better than that. Even I am and I’ve been told I can post nonsense lefty crap now and again. Come on. We all share plenty and the main thing we share has been bloody helpful in keeping the spirits going in these challenging times for so many of us who haven’t thankfully suffered the worst ravages of this pandemic to our personal health having been able to still post on a football forum. Though many of us will have been effected in so many other ways and may yet still. Stay safe everyone. A thoughtful post Rob...wrong in a number of cases...but nevertheless a thoughtful post. 🙂 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 10:11:59 GMT
You might want to go back and look at those 20 pages again, because at the bottom of every one of those pages are the words...I don’t really trust them not to build more houses and then not deliver the stadium and just sod off! That is an attack on the owner, and as it’s on every page that makes it a continued attack. Oh I see. You are referring to the signature on my posts which I hadn't changed for years and indeed had forgotten how to change. That isn't continued tirades is it? It isn't an attack anyway and they are not my words. It is a verbatim quote from Toby Elliott, the deputy chair of Swindon Borough Council’s Planning Committee. It did make me laugh as it was surprisingly unparliamentary language for such a person to use - a measure of his frustration. He said: “It’s been incredibly frustrating trying to get this stadium delivered.
“I don’t want to see another house constructed on the site until Gaming International deliver a new speedway stadium that is good for Swindon.
“It shows the esteem the developer shows this committee that they can’t be bothered to turn up tonight - it’s disgusting frankly.
He added: "I don’t really trust them not to build more houses and then not deliver the stadium and just sod off, basically. We need to put a line in the sand because the developer is still in breach of the previous section 106 agreement. We should say what enforcement we’re going to bring.”
www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17221029.swindon-speedway-stadium-dog-track-plan-swindon-approved/So as not to offend you further, I have worked out how to change my signature back to what it used to be - so you will now see a "continued tirade" of positivity about the ability of football clubs, similar in size to ours, to bounce back from all sorts of disasters. On and on you go about the future of the club...without Osborne there would be no club, no long term future, just a hole in the bloody ground where the home of TUFC used to be! Your comment here demonstrates exactly why you have totally missed the point of my posts re the freehold and how you should be in agreement with me on this matter. If Osborne had not come in there would not be "just a hole in the bloody ground where the home of TUFC used to be". Why? Precisely because the club does NOT own the freehold. If the worst had come to the worst, it is possible that the limited company that runs Torquay United would have been liquidated. If that had happened, a relaunched club would have been able to pick up the lease from the council. This is exactly what has happened at Chester, Halifax, Hereford, Aldershot, etc. But if the football club actually owned the freehold, liquidation of the limited company running the football club would indeed mean "just a hole in the bloody ground where the home of TUFC used to be". Can you see why separation of club and freehold is a good thing? I am sure I have explained this many times before - to the extent that, unlike AJ, I get sick and tired of repeating the same thing again and again. Of course, AJ fully understands what I am saying, but chooses to lie and misrepresent what I am saying. I don't think you would do that, but don't think you have ever really understood what is really being said and why. Oh....now I understand. 🤥 In a nutshell your saying, if we had been liquidated we would have been fine...is that similar to saying if my Aunt had a pair of balls she would be my Uncle? We are never going to agree on this so it’s on to AJ. AJ is without doubt the best poster on this site, the only problem being, no bugger understands what he’s actually trying to say. 😁 |
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Post by swatcat on Jan 11, 2021 21:05:02 GMT
I've borrowed these words : "Kate Bingham (VTF) (today) on Public Accounts Committee mentions alternative delivery methods of Covid-19 vaccine - patches & inhaler type - at one point Bingham (and others) were asked about the improvements that could be available with a 2nd gen vaccine and the response included : 1. Single dose 2. Delivery methods that do not require needles and vials". And in www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00015-0? "As placebo-controlled testing falls out of favour, vaccine developers eye blood markers and challenge trials to assess next-generation candidates" - here it's said that "230 2nd Gen vaccines (are) in development and about 60 being tested in humans". The first paras - "Global health researchers breathed a collective sigh of relief last month after nations across Europe, North America and elsewhere issued emergency approvals of the first COVID-19 vaccines. But as the shots are rolled out, clinicians are scrambling to work out how to evaluate dozens of other, earlier-stage vaccine candidates. These could be less expensive, have fewer side effects or be easier to administer than those now in use — and they would bolster the world’s supply of COVID-19 immunizations, ensuring more rapid distribution to all countries. The trouble is that finding would-be participants for placebo-controlled clinical trials has become more of a challenge. In these trials, half the volunteers receive a dummy shot and half the real thing, but neither participants nor researchers know who received which one until after the trial. People are less likely to chance receiving a placebo when they could get one of the various vaccines now authorized, two of which prevent COVID-19 with about 95% efficacy. As it is, many people taking part in placebo-controlled trials have already asked to drop out to ensure that they get immunized." . . . . . . . . good to see that amount of faith in 1st Gen vaccines but ? It's going to be interesting watching as hopefully a solution to the conundrum of how to test 2nd generation vaccines emerges. The target - just imagine, an inhaled vaccine, maybe single dose, with 95% efficacy. That might turn the heads of a few inclined to be anti-vax. Take care over there Guys and ATB |
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Post by swatcat on Jan 12, 2021 2:01:52 GMT
From an article in the Huffington Post - some clear explanations - even with vaccination, we have a long battle ahead, (with CV-19). ""Getting vaccinated doesn’t offer immediate protection - both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines appear to be remarkably effective based on the data currently available. The Pfizer vaccine is 95% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19 seven days after the second “booster” dose, while the Moderna vaccine is 94% effective 14 days after the second dose. The key there is that both shots require two doses to provide full immunity, and those shots must be spaced out quite a bit (21 days between doses for the Pfizer vaccine; 28 for the Moderna). “It takes a while for immunity to build up,” explained Edgar Sanchez, the vice chairman of the infectious disease group with Orlando Health in Florida. Experts believe it is likely that the first shot alone offers some level of protection against COVID-19, but it’s not clear how much — or at what point that immunity boost kicks in. Sanchez, for example, had just received his second vaccine dose when he spoke to HuffPost — and said he was feeling “great” emotionally and physically (despite a heavy arm), but that he wasn’t behaving any differently. “It doesn’t mean today I’m free to just do whatever I want,” he said. “I saw COVID-19 patients today, and I was taking just as many precautions as I did yesterday before I was vaccinated.” Once you’ve been fully vaccinated, your own risk of getting COVID-19 goes way down - “If you have been vaccinated, you can believe that your own risk of getting symptomatic or severe COVID-19 disease is significantly reduced,” said Eric Robinette, a pediatric infectious disease specialist with Akron Children’s Hospital in Ohio. But “significantly reduced” is not the same as nonexistent.Even though both vaccines appear to be highly effective at protecting individuals against COVID-19, it’s still possible for a person who has received both doses to catch the virus. And you *could* still pass the virus on to someone else.It’s currently unclear whether getting vaccinated protects a person from spreading the coronavirus to others. That is something that is usually determined in vaccine research trials, but it hasn’t been sorted out because of the sprint to create COVID-19 vaccines. And researchers aren’t yet sure whether the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines protect against asymptomatic infection. All of which means that an individual who has received both doses of the vaccine could potentially unknowingly become infected without showing any symptoms. And that person could then pass COVID-19 along to his or her contacts without realizing it — again, despite being vaccinated. “We do not have clinical data as to whether the vaccine prevents people from developing asymptomatic COVID infection that they can transmit to others,” Robinette said. “That type of immunity is referred to as ‘sterilizing immunity,’ the idea being that the person not only doesn’t get sick, but is also ‘sterilized’ of the virus.” He said he suspects researchers will have more information on this question in the coming months, and they tend to be hopeful the answer will be good. “I am optimistic based on the basic science information previously described that the vaccine will at least reduce transmission risk,” Robinette said. “For now, the safe thing is to assume that only the person who has received the vaccine is protected from COVID-19.”Masks and distancing are still necessary - because the vaccines do not offer 100% protection — and because it’s possible that a person who has been vaccinated can unknowingly spread the virus to others — it’s essential to continue following proven public health measures, like universal masking and physical distancing. Does that mean that, say, a grandparent cannot visit a family member they haven’t seen in months? Or that a vaccinated health care worker can’t spend time with a friend who has not yet received both shots? Those are decisions that individuals are going to have to make themselves (heeding local restrictions, of course) — but with the understanding that certain precautions should stay in place. “Especially in the beginning, when most people are not vaccinated, we really should not be changing behaviors at all,” Sanchez said. “We still need to wear masks, we still need to social distance.”
It’s going to take a while until we reach herd immunity - infectious disease experts have waffled on what it will take to reach herd immunity in the U.S. Initially, they estimated that 60% to 70% of the population will need resistance to COVID-19 in order to stop it from spreading; now they’re saying it is probably more like 75% to 85%, or perhaps even higher""
The bolds are mine . . . . a helpful article IMO . . . . great progress in the UK with vaccinations but evenso, we have a long way to go. ATB
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 8:37:49 GMT
You’re a cheerful bugger aren’t you Swatcat...you’re not related to Jon by any chance are you? 🤭
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Post by swatcat on Jan 12, 2021 12:36:06 GMT
Hi Reg. I am actually, but you have to deal with these realities. Take care eh ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 14:07:59 GMT
Hi Reg. I am actually, but you have to deal with these realities. Take care eh ? You’re related to Jon...now that would be a reality that was hard to deal with...I’ll say some prayers for you! 🙏 |
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Post by swatcat on Jan 12, 2021 15:15:29 GMT
Ha Ha Reg. When I posted, 'I am actually' - I referred to being a cheerful bugger LOL
I couldn't possibly claim the honour being related to Jon I'm afraid.
The prayers will be welcome anyway and thanks for that.
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Post by Rob on Jan 12, 2021 23:16:58 GMT
Good points about second dosage in that article. Sadly, it’s not happening in many cases in the UK now as our Government has opted not to and announced as such.
I am personally aware of two contrasting differences in neighbouring NHS Trusts. The first an over 80. The second frontline NHS.
1. Second Pfizer dose being administered by Doctor’s surgery after that Government announcement.
2. NHS employee receiving the first and being told they were getting the second only for that decision to be reversed by the relevant Trust shortly before the suggested Pfizer second jab ‘due’ date.
Both close family members. Unlike Jon and swatcat it would seem. 😉 On a personal note, I am of course relieved that those family members have received a jab.
I believe Hancock has since owned up what most had already guessed with their policy in that they hadn’t ordered enough Pfizer. We are no longer a bulk orderer as an individual nation in the way that the EU is which means more expensive and less bargaining capability to hasten the supply chain moving forward one would anticipate in simple economic terms in normal times. But these are not normal times. And our record in getting it into arms is good as we have an NHS to be proud of.
It might be something easy to overlook, but an extra hurdle in places abroad where private healthcare is the norm and only the monied get reasonable healthcare, is that individuals will have to pay for their jabs. You can pay up to hundreds of dollars just for a Coronavirus test in most US States.
That pattern will be reflected up and down the land since the Government opted to go down a route that the drug company themselves do not recommend as a prescribing regime. It will cause ethical issues to many in the medical profession proceeding on that basis.
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