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Post by plainmoorpete on Apr 26, 2020 17:16:02 GMT
I'm wondering if what is being considered is football and the rest behind closed doors so that it can be televised or streamed. But at lower levels, including ours, there might be no restart until well into next year leaving it too late for a 2020/21 season to start. The consequences could be dire leading to the extinction of tens of not hundreds of non league football clubs.
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Post by rjdgull on Apr 26, 2020 18:36:00 GMT
For lower levels it comes down to when large crowds can congregate again which may come about when a vaccine has been found and administered to a sufficient part of the population, likely at some point next year. I suspect semipro and amateur clubs can go into suspended animation by getting rid of their staff who can then concentrate on their other jobs in the meantime. I would be surprised if many of these clubs would then end up going to the wall but we are in strange times!
For the more or less fully professional national league then there could be pressure from amongst others, the players themselves with no other job ready to fall into and follow the lead of the English football league and look at playing behind closed doors and as you say streaming the games where interest from both sets of supporters could give a decent revenue. With a gap in television production who knows if there will be more demand to show live sport including at our level which could be supplemented by a more even distribution of televised revenues from higher up in the game although I doubt it.
There could potentially be limited crowds in stadium if social distancing measures could still be adhered to but this would be very hard to administer or police and suspect the government will draw a line at this.
At some level, there is going to be no relegation as the league below won’t be playing.
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Post by plainmoorpete on Apr 27, 2020 1:46:28 GMT
While I agree that semi-pro/amateur clubs could go into suspended animation there is the problem of hanging to tenure of their grounds. I think a problem for many local councils coming out of the lockdown is going to be a devastating lack of funds and many may be tempted or forced to sell off playing fields to the highest bidder.
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Post by rjdgull on Apr 27, 2020 6:53:23 GMT
While I agree that semi-pro/amateur clubs could go into suspended animation there is the problem of hanging to tenure of their grounds. I think a problem for many local councils coming out of the lockdown is going to be a devastating lack of funds and many may be tempted or forced to sell off playing fields to the highest bidder. Good point, I think there are going to be a lot of economic consequences from this that’s going to have to be worked through for many years. I would hope in a lot of these cases that the communities will come together so as to force councils to look at other options to raise money or at least provide suitable alternative sites for the clubs affected. |
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Post by rjdgull on Apr 27, 2020 13:04:49 GMT
link - some clubs are opening up for individual training as the Premier League are targeting 8 June as a start date to finish the season with full training needing to start by 18th May for this to happen, Subject both to Government approval and how the country progresses against the virus in the meantime but could shine a light on the EFL timescale.
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Post by Jon on Apr 27, 2020 23:38:43 GMT
While I agree that semi-pro/amateur clubs could go into suspended animation there is the problem of hanging to tenure of their grounds. I think a problem for many local councils coming out of the lockdown is going to be a devastating lack of funds and many may be tempted or forced to sell off playing fields to the highest bidder. Don't start me on freehold paranoia. Let's hope you are wrong as builders tend to bid higher than sportsmen. Of course, the Carey Estate sold off Plainmoor to the highest bidder in 1909. The Reverend Percy Baker, founder of Ellacombe FC, rallied the community to see off the builders and save Plainmoor for football. Good old Percy. |
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Post by rjdgull on May 11, 2020 13:55:01 GMT
link - some clubs are opening up for individual training as the Premier League are targeting 8 June as a start date to finish the season with full training needing to start by 18th May for this to happen, Subject both to Government approval and how the country progresses against the virus in the meantime but could shine a light on the EFL timescale. - the government documentation on coming out of the lockdown specifically mentions sporting events behind close doors for broadcast purposes being able to commence in step two. This has been scheduled as no earlier than the 1st of June but of course is dependent on cases constantly diminishing in the meantime. However, starting on the eighth does give a small amount of leeway and it’s something that the premiership at least can work towards and I would expect training to start as early as next Monday. How far this will be replicated down the pyramid remains to be seen as tv revenues diminish exponentially and are unlikely to cover the costs involved. Locally, good news in that Torbay positive cases of coronavirus have been averaging one a day for the past week when only three weeks ago they were at 13 or 14 a day. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 17:14:14 GMT
The big State lovers will be gratified to know that Britain's Bolshevik approach to Coronavirus not only endures, but will continue on its merry way. And quite frankly we're in so deep now, by allowing power hungry politicians to direct things, and make the predictable bureaucratic mess of it, that our leaders just have to double down, and blame the public if necessary, rather than admit their diktats from on high, and placing their population under house arrest through the Summer did little other than wreck the economy and store up whatever potential problems there might be for the winter months, when symptoms would be more severe, and winter flu will be around as well. The Swedes must be shaking their heads in disbelief. I wonder how things are over there at the moment ?    |
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Post by Rob on Sept 22, 2020 18:34:20 GMT
Is it not the case that Sweden has had 10 times the amount of Covid cases of other Nordic countries, Norway and Finland, and five times more cases than Denmark? This is put as a question as it was overheard on Radio 2 while driving yesterday and hasn’t undergone the thorough audit that AJ prides himself on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 22:53:27 GMT
 You might strike lucky and find someone who's taken an interest in case numbers Rob, but I think it's a bit of a minority interest. We all know the basics, do lots of testing and you'll have lots of 'cases' to report, ease off on the testing and you'll have fewer cases jotted down in your note book. There could be a significant increase in cases of people having oxtail soup for tea, but you'd also struggle to force people to take an interest. Figures about how likely you are to feel ill or even die, then you'd get somewhere. But while so many, particularly the younger one's know that it's such a deadly threat that you even need a test to know you've got it, then having your business closed down, halting your children's education, stopping your neighbours cancer treatment, or losing your job, is such an out of proportion reaction that you have to threaten the populace with the army in order to force them to obey. If anyone's been compiling a 'cases' spreadsheet, I hope they come forward. 
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Post by stefano on Sept 22, 2020 23:16:20 GMT
Is it not the case that Sweden has had 10 times the amount of Covid cases of other Nordic countries, Norway and Finland, and five times more cases than Denmark? This is put as a question as it was overheard on Radio 2 while driving yesterday and hasn’t undergone the thorough audit that AJ prides himself on. You are certainly not wrong Rob. What I would say though is that the UK were given a projected graph of what would happen if they did not lockdown in March that 500,000 people would die in a few months. The UK locked down. Sweden were given the exact same predictive modelling and were told they would suffer 48,000 deaths (of course with a smaller population than ours) within months. They did not lockdown * and their deaths stand at under 6000. * Although not a total lockdown they did give advice which included social distancing and mask wearing and considering whether you went out or not. I am not of course a flat earther (as we have on one of our other esteemed forums). I am though concerned about over reliance on a vaccine. It would be great if one came along which was both effective and safe! We would all be mightily impressed and relieved. However it took 25 years to develop the chicken pox vaccine. The smallpox vaccine did eliminate the disease but it took almost 190 years to do so. In fairness I cannot wait that long! No vaccine has ever been found for the common cold which is mostly a coronavirus. I am of course supportive of the government as this is an unprecedented crisis but nothing will ever be sorted with such an ineffective opposition! Is vulnerabilty of older people so unusual? There are a myriad of illnesses and diseases that people are more likely to get and are more likely to die from when they are older, including dementia, heart disease, and cancers. If a vaccine is not found then we older people will just have to put covid down as something that is around which is one of many things we can die of. It may be time to start concentrating on living rather than worrying about dying! |
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Post by rjdgull on Sept 23, 2020 6:27:16 GMT
You might strike lucky and find someone who's taken an interest in case numbers Rob, but I think it's a bit of a minority interest. We all know the basics, do lots of testing and you'll have lots of 'cases' to report, ease off on the testing and you'll have fewer cases jotted down in your note book. If anyone's been compiling a 'cases' spreadsheet, I hope they come forward. Might have mentioned my spreadsheet...... So percentage of positive cases has to be looked at when looking at figures: 01/07 0.366 01/08 0.405 01/09 0.694 22/09 2.608 Percentages before yesterday were under 2% but testing was down with cases up hence the large jump. Massive increase this month hence the new restrictions. People in intensive care was 60 on 01/09 which was a low, now 181 so allowing for the time after contracting Covid this increase is following the increase in new cases. More people in hospital from this over winter means less capacity to treat other illnesses. About a week ago positive cases in Devon was around 0.3. Spike in Exeter yesterday, likely from students coming to study from areas with higher rates of Covid. Plymouth is the worse area in Devon, not helped by the Zante party, going out clubbing straight after getting back from holiday. |
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Post by stefano on Sept 23, 2020 14:23:47 GMT
About a week ago positive cases in Devon was around 0.3. Spike in Exeter yesterday, likely from students coming to study from areas with higher rates of Covid. Plymouth is the worse area in Devon, not helped by the Zante party, going out clubbing straight after getting back from holiday. Plymouth is the highest locally but is still low at 13 positive tests last week per 100,000 population (Torbay 7 and Devon 6). Compare that to the worst area Bolton at 199 cases per 100,000 (it was 229 the previous week so dropping) and it is clear that although we all need to stay vigilant and careful to look after ourselves and others the actual risk in the South West is comparatively low. |
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Post by rjdgull on Sept 24, 2020 10:41:22 GMT
link - Long awaited NHS app now available for downloading.
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Post by stefano on Sept 24, 2020 13:38:42 GMT
link - Long awaited NHS app now available for downloading. Downloaded this morning and I have survived 5 hours without being told to self isolate so a good result! Bit intrigued about the risk level assessment for my local area. These apparently are graded high, medium, or low. Mine was shown as medium. Since February my local postcode has had 3 deaths linked to covid. Two successive weeks in the last month there have been zero positive tests. In the last week there have been 4 positive tests which as 3 cases have been reported in local schools seems to be all school children. If medium risk is an area with 3 deaths since it all started 7 months ago and only 4 positive tests in a week following 2 weeks of zero positive tests, I am really intrigued as to how a postcode area could attain low risk status! |
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