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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Aug 13, 2008 7:52:07 GMT
Very quick match report. Crap first half, impressive second half. Carayol deserves a start after looking quality once he came on. Seriously though, there was only going to be one winner after the equaliser. Bit worried about Poke being injured after the big knock in the first half and Nicholson having to take the goal kicks. Oh yeah, quick message to Bucks, Please do not persist with this Hargreaves is a centre half nonsense. He is not, and will never be anything other that a hard working, tough tackling midfielder. If he isnt good enough to start in midfield, please do not sacrifice the defensive unit just to try and keep the 'captain' happy. Its not a sign of weakness to admit your experiment was wrong. Back to the game, really impressed with the second half perfomance and if we can keep that up, the season mght end on a positive note. If I had to name a first team, I would have Robbo (or Ellis/Woods) in for Hargreaves, and Stevens on the right in place of Carlisle, with Carayol on the left. Thought that Benyon was a massive positive tonight. Wasnt sure last season, but with with the right sort of football, he could be this seasons top scorer. I was amazed at his work rate tonight, Phillips but with a football brain. You said : "If Hargreaves is'nt good enough to play in midfield" Is this how you feel. Personally, I still think Hargreaves is the best midfielder we have. People quicky seem to forget that they were voting for Hargreaves as player of hte season last year, as he was, by far, our best player. I felt that Hargreaves dominated the midfield in many games last season that, without him, we really would have struggled. To be fair Wroe and Thompson have both looked good, from what I have seen, but I think people forget things to quickly and are much too fickle sometimes. I think Bucks has played Hargreaves at Centre back because our other defenders are not good enough, not because he is not good enough in the midfield. |
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Post by Enzo on Aug 13, 2008 8:02:31 GMT
Very quick match report. Crap first half, impressive second half. Carayol deserves a start after looking quality once he came on. Seriously though, there was only going to be one winner after the equaliser. Bit worried about Poke being injured after the big knock in the first half and Nicholson having to take the goal kicks. Oh yeah, quick message to Bucks, Please do not persist with this Hargreaves is a centre half nonsense. He is not, and will never be anything other that a hard working, tough tackling midfielder. If he isnt good enough to start in midfield, please do not sacrifice the defensive unit just to try and keep the 'captain' happy. Its not a sign of weakness to admit your experiment was wrong. Back to the game, really impressed with the second half perfomance and if we can keep that up, the season mght end on a positive note. If I had to name a first team, I would have Robbo (or Ellis/Woods) in for Hargreaves, and Stevens on the right in place of Carlisle, with Carayol on the left. Thought that Benyon was a massive positive tonight. Wasnt sure last season, but with with the right sort of football, he could be this seasons top scorer. I was amazed at his work rate tonight, Phillips but with a football brain. You said : "If Hargreaves is'nt good enough to play in midfield" Is this how you feel. Personally, I still think Hargreaves is the best midfielder we have. People quicky seem to forget that they were voting for Hargreaves as player of hte season last year, as he was, by far, our best player. I felt that Hargreaves dominated the midfield in many games last season that, without him, we really would have struggled. To be fair Wroe and Thompson have both looked good, from what I have seen, but I think people forget things to quickly and are much too fickle sometimes. [glow=red,2,300]I think Bucks has played Hargreaves at Centre back because our other defenders are not good enough, not because he is not good enough in the midfield[/glow]. If that is the case, fair enough, but Buckle is the one who signed, re-signed or extended the contracts the players who he now deems as not good enough. |
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Aug 13, 2008 8:53:51 GMT
Enzo, Robertson is transfer listed and he was willing to let Woods go too if he could have signed Brett Jonson.
He has just signed Ellis and Brough, granted, so I can understand where you are coming from.
My main point really is that Hargreaves is still our best midfield player so if Bucks does take him out of the defence then he has to play in midfield.
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Post by capitalgull on Aug 13, 2008 9:35:35 GMT
Andy P - I suggest you go back and get the DVD of last night's match and see just how many times Benyon chased down defenders, all through the game, and forced them into hurried clearances that often fell to TUFC players....usually wasted in the first half of course.
Compare that to the lethargy often shown by Sills, which came as a surprise to me, and there was no comparison between the duo's performances.
I'm not a big Benyon fan, but last night was the best performance I have seen from him in a yellow shirt and he was good value for the goal, the winning assist and the MOTM award.
Kudos to the young lad!
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Post by jond on Aug 13, 2008 10:51:16 GMT
Feed and watered before I went Merse as you advised. ;D It turned into a long night with the 22,000 crowd taking ages to leave, meaning that we never actually left the course until almost midnight. Faced with an hour sitting in the car inching our way out of the car park, Merse, If you go again on a Friday night, much better to head for the members' car park (no charge) then double back to the exit to the right and park there. Five minute walk to the entrance but it can save you up to an hour and a half getting out! |
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Post by Dave on Aug 13, 2008 15:14:18 GMT
andygulls, thanks for a great match report, also thanks to all the posters for their match reports, all first class.
Andy we both know that the two gaols last night, do not mean that we will score lots more goals, but they were from open play and I still believe, we do not need to worry, we will get the gaols we need.
I think Benyon was so much better after he scored and as you say showed some of his old self during the first and part of the second half.
I can't disagree with all those who feel Hargreaves should not play at centerback, but would they want Wroe dropped as I can't see Thompson not making the starting 11.The problem is, who would we play there?
I think Woods is out of the side, because of the events surrounding Truro, Maybe it was not what he wanted and felt pushed out. I also don't think he would be happy having Hargreaves a midfielder, being picked over him, for what we would feel was his place in the side.
Roberson, is not wanted, thats why he is on the transfer list, so that really only leaves Ellis unless you would want to include Brough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2008 16:37:44 GMT
I said I would wait until I saw Hargreaves play in defense before I gave my view well now I can and I don't think he should be playing there. He is much better where he belongs in midfield but like others have asked who do we play at the back.
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Post by merse on Aug 13, 2008 17:03:13 GMT
Merse, If you go again on a Friday night, much better to head for the members' car park (no charge) then double back to the exit to the right and park there. Five minute walk to the entrance but it can save you up to an hour and a half getting out!  Thanks for that....................I did the first bit (members car park) but not the second.........................will know better next time. From entry to exit we were there for seven and a half hours on Friday! The July Course is much better than the Rowley Mile though don't you think? ..................and I know a good "back way" drive through the National Stud too- in fact I did offer my "services" but they said I was too old  |
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Post by Rob on Aug 13, 2008 21:59:11 GMT
Enzo, Robertson is transfer listed and [glow=red,2,300]he was willing to let Woods go too if he could have signed Brett Jonson[/glow]. He has just signed Ellis and Brough, granted, so I can understand where you are coming from. My main point really is that Hargreaves is still our best midfield player so if Bucks does take him out of the defence then he has to play in midfield. Really? |
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Aug 14, 2008 9:49:51 GMT
Enzo, Robertson is transfer listed and [glow=red,2,300]he was willing to let Woods go too if he could have signed Brett Jonson[/glow]. He has just signed Ellis and Brough, granted, so I can understand where you are coming from. My main point really is that Hargreaves is still our best midfield player so if Bucks does take him out of the defence then he has to play in midfield. Really? Yes, I cant believe everyone has forgotten how brilliant he was for us last season. As long as he remains fit he should be playing. Thompson and Wroe seem to be very good players at this level but we have seen them only a handful of times and its ridiculous, at this stage, to claim that they should be instantly considered ahead of last seasons player of the season. |
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Post by Dave on Aug 14, 2008 14:43:19 GMT
tufcwewillbeback, I agree with your views about how good Hargreaves is as a player, he sure played his part in the team last season. The problem is I can not see Thompson, being dropped for Hargreaves, unless his form became very poor. So Wroe would have to make way if Hargreaves moved back into midfield.
Then what would you do, I can't see Thompson being moved to the right midfield and I can't see Hargreaves playing in that position. What we really need to know is why our three CB's are not considered good enough, that we need to play a midfield player there instead. Answers on a postcard please.
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Aug 14, 2008 19:48:52 GMT
tufcwewillbeback, I agree with your views about how good Hargreaves is as a player, he sure played his part in the team last season. The problem is I can not see Thompson, being dropped for Hargreaves, unless his form became very poor. So Wroe would have to make way if Hargreaves moved back into midfield. Then what would you do, I can't see Thompson being moved to the right midfield and I can't see Hargreaves playing in that position. What we really need to know is why our three CB's are not considered good enough, that we need to play a midfield player there instead. Answers on a postcard please. In an ideal world, we'd get a new centre back ;D. The other options we have are: Woods - Buckle was happy to see him leave if Johnson had signed. Robertson - Transfer listed Brough - Poor pre season Ellis - Young, played alot of last season and made mistakes. I dont think therefore, that Bucks has confidence in any of these players. Buck's has made some decent signings this summer but evidently, he has failed to strengthen the centre back position. |
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Post by cav on Aug 14, 2008 21:05:55 GMT
After considered thought, here are a few of my observations of the game on Tuesday.
I think the experiment to have Hargreaves at Centre half must now be shelved. We are certainly losing two players by playing CH at the back and not in the middle.
Thompson had a shocker, nothing like the player seen in pre-season (was not at Histon so cannot comment). Wroe wasn't much better, and with Woking on the whole playing with only one up we were outnumbered and out fought in midfield. Danny Stevens looked all at sea and got brushed off the ball constantly.
Up front Sills and Benyon didn't hit it off first half at all. Benyon with his back to the goal is unfortunately too lightweight and also loses the ball far too easily.
However, Woking always looked likely to concede and the more direct approach with Benyon chasing down Sills's flick on's gave us the impetus and momentum to equalise and finally for Carlisle ( who had a fairly quiet game) to calmly win us the game.
For me, Hargreaves has to come back into midfield at the expense of Wroe and get Robertson/Woods back at centre half.
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Post by Dave on Aug 14, 2008 21:09:44 GMT
tufcwewillbeback, I agree with your views about how good Hargreaves is as a player, he sure played his part in the team last season. The problem is I can not see Thompson, being dropped for Hargreaves, unless his form became very poor. So Wroe would have to make way if Hargreaves moved back into midfield. Then what would you do, I can't see Thompson being moved to the right midfield and I can't see Hargreaves playing in that position. What we really need to know is why our three CB's are not considered good enough, that we need to play a midfield player there instead. Answers on a postcard please. In an ideal world, we'd get a new centre back ;D. The other options we have are: Woods - Buckle was happy to see him leave if Johnson had signed. Robertson - Transfer listed Brough - Poor pre season Ellis - Young, played alot of last season and made mistakes. I dont think therefore, that Bucks has confidence in any of these players. Buck's has made some decent signings this summer but evidently, he has failed to strengthen the centre back position. Woods was resigned by Paul as was Ellis and he brought in Brough this season. So why would he not have the confidence in his signings. He knew who Woods and Ellis were and must have been sure of Brough's ability. So we come back to the same question, If as some fans want, that is Hargreaves to move out from the back, do we play Woods or Ellis. |
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Post by stevedeckchair on Aug 15, 2008 20:31:23 GMT
I think the experiment to have Hargreaves at Centre half must now be shelved. Thompson had a shocker For me, Hargreaves has to come back into midfield at the expense of Wroe Not meaning to pick you out specifically as I've heard these comments from others too, but I though Hargreaves did ok at CB. Got his head on plenty and tussled with the forwards as Woods (and any good CB) always does. I certainly wouldn't highlight him as being the reason for any mistakes that let Woking in. Their movement was very good and they attacked in numbers. I thought Thompson was one of our better players. Always composed on the ball, in the right place at the right time to tidy things up. I'd say 8/10! I also think that Wroe is going to be a big player for us this season and a few stray balls shouldn't be jumped on. He is clearly a creative player and we were crying out for that last season. Give him a break and he will deliver. His record at York shows that. I'm not putting him in the same class as the chosen one, but Alex Russell took a while to find his feet here didn't he? It's early doors yet, but there are plenty of positives to take from the games so far. Lets be supportive and the team will click. I'm sure of it. |
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Thanks for that....................I did the first bit (members car park) but not the second.........................will know better next time. From entry to exit we were there for seven and a half hours on Friday!