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Post by Swanny on Aug 28, 2008 21:13:39 GMT
Full-time 1-1. Reasonable performance and again Mansell and Hargreaves did well in the middle and the defence was mainly solid. However we really are struggling to score and don't look likely to. DSane missed a good 1 on 1 in the first half but we just don't have the penetration like last season. Not enough is happening down the wings. Good finish by Danny after only 40 seconds being on the field. Worrying as well we keep conceding late goals, it's cost us a few points already this season.
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Post by capitalgull on Aug 28, 2008 21:36:56 GMT
Come on Merse - what about Ellis and Hodges not getting close enough to the scorer? All three of them are to blame in their own way for the goal...get over your past with Woods, who apart from that mistake was excellent all game.
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Post by geddingtongull on Aug 28, 2008 21:38:21 GMT
Just got in from watching the game at my son in laws.
Firstly I thought our supporters tonight were brilliant, yellow army throughout, well done.
As soon as Sodje came on I said he would score as they always seem to against us.
Overall I feel gutted that we did not win. York were poor and deserved nothing from the game. I'm sure if Sodje took that kick again 99 times he would miss every time.
Still concerned about the front two, D'sane had a great game, never stopped running. If we were winning every game he would have put away the one on one with the goalkeeper, that's the lack of confidence I suppose.
Defensively a much improved performance apart from the mistake on 87 minutes.
More confident than after the Ebbsfleet game. The season has a long way to go and we can still be there or thereabouts at the end.
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Post by petef on Aug 28, 2008 22:59:02 GMT
I believe our lack of attacking width, as daft as it may seem stems from our full backs. So much more offensively should be coming from those areas. They are not quick or mobile enough and just don't seem to get up and back the park. For the life of me I just don't see what Lee Hodges, who came from and was playing in the second tier of English football has brought to the team/club to be able to replace our best ball deliverer, Nico. Admittedly Nicholson isn't the most mobile either but BOTH wing back positions look very week to my eyes and last season had a very athletic and able assistant in Zebroski to help hem out on many an occasion. Buckle should stand back and take a long hard look at the personnel he signed in the close season. and ask himself why so many midfielders were signed without really addressing the problems in defence. I cant say I have been that impressed with ANY of his signings as yet and when you begin thinking that maybe Bedeau, Hilly and Hockers would have been better options you just know that something is badly wrong. I am pretty certain that this will be Greavsies last season at this level. One year on and the legs are just beginning to show there age even though he still has the biggest heart. And as far who was at fault for there goal you could pick any one of 4 from Hodges being to far up the pitch and just sauntering back to Pokes positioning. The bottom line is that the performance was another small improvement and more importantly the effort and desire were there also even thogh most of the new signings didnt start the game.
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Post by merse on Aug 29, 2008 2:39:02 GMT
Come on Merse - what about Ellis and Hodges not getting close enough to the scorer? Ellis and Hodges were only rendered out of position by the flick on by Brodie. When playing at centre back you simply DO NOT get that close thirty yards from your own goal line.....................if you do, and you're not particularly taller than the man you're marking; what are you going to do? Foul him or get caught like that and Woods has been prone to that ever since he's played for us. All he had to do was stand off and time his challenge and he's favourite to win the ball; but no - serial relegation man Woods never learns and at his age he never will. Paul Parker was highlighting Woods' poor positional play and poor decision making in the first half but he got away with it because York were not incisive enough, but he was a ticking time bomb waiting to happen and eventually fell for the sucker punch as he so often does - usually unnoticed by those who get distracted by his sometimes spectacular ways of getting himself out of self induced trouble brought on by such poor decision making. When we used to regularly concede late goals under Rosenior, who was in the defence? Bad decision makers cost you dear, they've only got to make one bad decision in defence and that's it because other players are making poor decisions up front that result in poor penetration. Poor decision makers put a manager's job under extreme pressure, we saw it on Saturday when poor decisions cost ALL three goals at Crawley. If players are young and inexperienced, a manager can work with them on eliminating that. When a player is 32 years old it has become a habit of a lifetime and a good manager will soon eliminate that player from his team. I would like to see Todd and Ellis persevered with as the number one pairing, I thought Ellis did very well last night and I thought Robbo handled Brodie very well and knew just how far he could go with a good bit of old fashioned intimidation................a good kick in the back of the legs usually takes a forward's mind off the main priority next time and it worked a treat with the dangerous Brodie! Just as they did against Wrexham, York showed that in THIS league you can pass the ball until it disappears up your arse to no effect, but change your lineup to something more basic and GETTING THE BALL FORWARD quickly will catch out poor decision makers in the other side and open them up. The Leroy lovers don't like it, the purists on here don't like it; but it's a FACT and it's what wins/saves games late on. It's not "hoof ball" it's common sense and lateral thinking football. It's not Fancy Dan football that allows your opponents to funnel back and get behind the ball, it's pragmatic football that at THIS level will catch out the slow and the gullible. Where did last night's two goals come from? Getting the ball in the box quickly before defenders could sort themselves out!
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Post by capitalgull on Aug 29, 2008 8:26:34 GMT
Oh well, at least Woods didn't play against Crawley so you can't blame him for those goals.....or can you ?
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Aug 29, 2008 11:22:29 GMT
I believe our lack of attacking width, as daft as it may seem stems from our full backs. So much more offensively should be coming from those areas. They are not quick or mobile enough and just don't seem to get up and back the park. For the life of me I just don't see what Lee Hodges, who came from and was playing in the second tier of English football has brought to the team/club to be able to replace our best ball deliverer, Nico. Admittedly Nicholson isn't the most mobile either but BOTH wing back positions look very week to my eyes and last season had a very athletic and able assistant in Zebroski to help hem out on many an occasion. Buckle should stand back and take a long hard look at the personnel he signed in the close season. and ask himself why so many midfielders were signed without really addressing the problems in defence. I cant say I have been that impressed with ANY of his signings as yet and when you begin thinking that maybe Bedeau, Hilly and Hockers would have been better options you just know that something is badly wrong. I am pretty certain that this will be Greavsies last season at this level. One year on and the legs are just beginning to show there age even though he still has the biggest heart. And as far who was at fault for there goal you could pick any one of 4 from Hodges being to far up the pitch and just sauntering back to Pokes positioning. The bottom line is that the performance was another small improvement and more importantly the effort and desire were there also even thogh most of the new signings didnt start the game. I agree with the remarks about Hodges. I cannot see why we needed to replace a perfectly good left back in Nicholson with Hodges, who is perhaps slightly better defensivley but lacks any desire or ability to go forward when we are attacking. With Zebs and Stevens creating space for Nicholson last season we were able to put the ball into the box and score goals. When Hodges does make a rare foray forward his distribution is limited and he takes a year to get back and defend when we lose the ball. Last night I remember Hodges coming forward and giving the ball away midway inside the York half. Despite this mistake he then sat down clutching his foot while York attacked because he could'nt be bothered to get back. The bottom line is that we have needed a right back for a long time. In January Bucks took alot of the bite and work rate out of midfield by putting Mansell at right back and signing a new midfielder in Adams. He may pass the ball quite well but he was unfit and as a result we were losing the midfield battles that we had been winning in the first half of the season. Then in close season, Buckle signed a load of midfielders and, wait for it, another left back. Now he has realised that Mansell needs to go back into the midfield leaving us back at square one, no right back and Robertson there again who, to be fair, is decent enough defensively but is one of the most technically limited proffesional footballers in England with very little composure or understanding of the game and his distribution is just really poor. Personnaly, I think Buckle needs to either sign a right back before the window closes or try to make Thompson or Wroe work their, although I'd still be sceptical about the idea of another midfielder being tried their. Having said, he aught to sign a right back, im almost certain that he wont because there is probably no decent one's around that will be available without money and I cant see him spending any. My other issue is that the need for Lee Phillips seems so evident now. We play a long ball game because this is the conference and, lets not kid ourselves, the standard is pretty poor. Lat night though, Dsane, who would probably score afew with decent service looked lost trying to win constant long high balls. I have nothing against Dsane but for the style of football we play he just doesnt seem to work and neither do Benyon or Green. They are all too light wait and not capable enough to challenge in the air. With Phillips up front long balls often worked. This is because we had Sills winning just about everything in the air and Phillips constantly hasstleing defenders and using his strength to challenge for everything. Even though he was'nt particularly good in the air, he never shyed out of challenges and always gave defences something to worry about. With Phillips work defences had too forward to worry about. With our style of play Dsane is easy to defend against and as a result Sills is also because defenders have only really got to stop him from winning the ball and Dsane doesnt have the movement or work rate that Phillips did witch freed up space for Sills. It seems to me that all of the things Buckle hoped would happen have very much not happened and, of the new signings, only Carlisle has really impressed so far and even so I would rather have Zebroski on the wing with someone like Welsh able to come of the bench. Carayol, by the way, I thought was distinctly unimpressive last night though I actually thought that Woods and Ellis, on the whole, had a decent game at the back and to be fair to them, they limited York to one, edge of the box effort, witch was unfortunatley, pretty unstopable. I was impressed by Mansell and Hargreaves in the midfield although, im always impressed by Hargreaves in the midfield. Credit has to go to Hargreaves as well as Carlisle for the goal. Hargreves won the ball twice in the midfield before playing a quick ball out to Carlisle, who managed to control it very well with his head before sending a decent delivery in witch eventually found Danny.
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Post by petef on Aug 29, 2008 12:04:48 GMT
Phillips/ Zebroski both strong athletic players. As the song goe's- The Big Yellow Taxi for some unknown resaon was waiting for Lee "YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU GOT TILL IT'S GONE"
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Post by ospelgull on Aug 29, 2008 12:52:18 GMT
I agree with Merse, but Ellis has to take some blame too. He let Sodje get away from him. I've always been a defender and my trainers/managers have always taught me to keep watching the player I was marking. And if that player had pace, they told me to stay a couple of feet behind him so he couldn't get behind me.
Ellis lost him for a second and got punished by a quality goal.
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Post by capitalgull on Aug 29, 2008 13:38:26 GMT
I don't disagree that Steve Woods was partially to blame for the goal at all - any blind man, Merse or Paul Parker could see that - but I was just wondering whether a similar mistake from, let's say, Lee Hodges, would have provoked such a tirade?
But I guess my old pal Merse will never see a good side to Mr Woods - he knows I am not a big fan of the player as a player or person either, but I thought he played well last night, and against Salisbury as well, and would have liked to have seen a little credit for that.
Sadly our defence, looking far more solid over the last 180 minutes, has allowed I believe a sum total of four efforts on target, but two of those were converted.
I'm not yet a complete believer in Mr Buckle, but the last two performances have brought more positives than points sadly for him.
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Post by Dave on Aug 29, 2008 15:27:15 GMT
I feel Woods played very well over the last two game, yes he got to tight on the forward for their goal, a crime I have seem many defenders do In the premiership. Ellis also played well and given the chance will get even better.
I also felt Roberson, who has not had hardly any starts and can't be feeling to confident, played well and also passed the ball out of defense well most of the time.
Love him or hate with Woods in the defense the last two games we have looked more like we have a defense, than any other game so far this season.
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Post by tufcwewillbeback on Aug 29, 2008 17:56:18 GMT
I like Woods and I like that he distributes the ball out from the back often rather than just smashing it back to the other team. On the whole last night was good performance wise and if anyone should be slated it should be Carayol who did very little and kept giving the ball away. Defensivley we now look more solid and the midfield has more of a presence, though, I would still be suprised if we got into the top 5 this season because confidence is low and certain players are unhappy. Ive stated before that Hodges was a pointless signing when we have Nicho and clearly we need 1 right back rather than 2 left backs. In terms of an end product going forward Nicho is simply a much better option than Hodges who was good defensivley last night but does'nt offer much else and is lazy getting back when he does venture forward. I really hope the rumours of his imminent departure are not true and I also hope that Stevens does'nt sign for Crawley. Brough can go if he wants though. ;D ( ok - a bit harsh)
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Post by andygulls on Aug 29, 2008 19:06:01 GMT
I like Woods and I like that he distributes the ball out from the back often rather than just smashing it back to the other team. On the whole last night was good performance wise and if anyone should be slated it should be Carayol who did very little and kept giving the ball away. Defensivley we now look more solid and the midfield has more of a presence, though, I would still be suprised if we got into the top 5 this season because confidence is low and certain players are unhappy. Ive stated before that Hodges was a pointless signing when we have Nicho and clearly we need 1 right back rather than 2 left backs. In terms of an end product going forward Nicho is simply a much better option than Hodges who was good defensivley last night but does'nt offer much else and is lazy getting back when he does venture forward. I really hope the rumours of his imminent departure are not true and I also hope that Stevens does'nt sign for Crawley. Brough can go if he wants though. ;D ( ok - a bit harsh) It's all about opinions. Woods distribute from the back rather than smashing it don't make me laugh. As for Nicholson / Hodges - Hodges is a better player than Nicholson ever was or ever will be. Nicholson started last season well and deteriorated as the season progressed.
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Post by midlandstufc on Aug 29, 2008 21:05:26 GMT
Hello boys and girls. Another sh*tty night at the office. That's all it was! The results will get better, trust me. Overall we we're 'quite good'. I will not pick out any player for blame and not being a Woods fan, I must admit the defence was a bit more confident than before. Ellis and Todd is my preferred combination and was last year - but hey! I ay the manager! Liked everything else - just need an early goal and we will get there. Remember - remember - all -- where were the Greeks last season after this many games? And where did they end up? Still hope, still keep believing!
Anyway, more power and love to Dave, and as he says positive thoughts to team and manager is better than negative ones to the team you follow! Come on you yellows! (next match please!!!!!)
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Post by Dave on Aug 29, 2008 21:11:15 GMT
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