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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Dec 28, 2008 18:41:22 GMT
Having just returned from the match, here are my feelings on the today's performance against Kidderminster:
This is a game that left the players looking shellshocked at the final whistle, in some ways rightly so - we SHOULD have put at least 3 past Kiddy today who are no better than many of
the top-half teams that I have seen here this season. However, it just didn't seem to feel at any time that the goal would come as it was clearly "just one of those days".
There were too many players that had off-days - Wroe reminds be of a poem - "when he is good he is very, very good - but when he is bad he is horrid"! Today was another one for him to forget, as it was for Stevens who faded as the game went on and also for Carlisle, who has gone back to the player of the pre and early season - one that is lacking direction and confidence to help harness his undoubted talent.
Sill's penalty miss at the end was symptomatic of the whole match. The guilt-edge chance was there, but somehow we just couldn't put it in the back of the net.
There was a slightly improved attendance of 2,700ish, but importantly for me was the way that the players were backed vocally today. Even when their goal went-in, there was no instant jumping on the players' backs.
I very much agree with Pete F - there were many plusses today and to get too down on a team that performed well in patches today as well the last 18 or so games is simply not fair.
Green probably needs a good run in the team to allow him to find his feet, but I would uch rather the chance tht fell to him in the first minute (when he was 1-on-1 with their keeper) had fallen to Benyon.
When a TUFC team that gives their all I will continue to pay my money - I'm 100% convinced that they gave it their all today and could only applaud them fromthe pitch. We won't win 'em all and while I believe that we will not hit the top spot, we still have a good change against any other play-off contender.
One thing that I don't understand is that Mark Creighton was shown a straight red card for a foul against Crawley, yet he must have only received a one match ban (served against FGR) for him to have been available today. Can those more enlightend as to disciplinary sanctions explain how he was playing today?
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Post by merse on Dec 28, 2008 18:57:23 GMT
I could not believes the words coming out of some fans walking past me at the end of the game. Words such as rubbish game and that we were crap, well I do wonder at times what other fans really watch and also what they expect. I feel for Carlisle, he tried and worked hard, but wad guilty of giving the ball away too many times during the first half and all I could hear was the fools shouting to get him off. its just a case of things not really coming off for him and he does not need the popside getting on his back again.  That's the difference between football supporters and some people who go to football.....................those who know and have maybe played the game (or any sport for that matter) and those who merely want to "support" a winning side. It doesn't matter what sport you play, there will be days when however hard you try you cannot hit the ball sweetly. Even more frustrating are days when although you could not hit the ball more sweetly, you still cannot win. That is sport, and the idiot who's mood changes on the result rather than the effort or the technique is not and never will be a sportsman. I've never been to a ground where the mood change is so noticeable amongst so many people as Plainmoor whenever something goes against the team or manager. The ball hits the back of our net and it's "Sort it out Buckle" " Bleddy Rubbish" "Get 'im Off"At Weymouth on a difficult windy day all the manager wanted was a disciplined line of two lots of four to defend a one goal lead and he gets a bollock brained load of abuse from a moron who wouldn't even know how to do a pair of football boots up. I'm glad you highlighted Carlisle Dave, because in my opinion so much of his effectiveness depends on the intelligence of his team mates reading his intentions correctly. Thus a mis-reading can often lead to one of his "eye of the needle" passes going astray.....................and I'm pleased you also emphasised the plusses in Green's game - he's a very good footballer who needs a little run of scoring to relax him whenever he pulls the trigger. A better partner for Sills than Benyon by far and one worth persevering with because if he can add the last factor to his game he will be devastating at this level. Maybe the forthcoming cup tie with less pressure on him could be the catalyst. |
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Post by Dave on Dec 28, 2008 19:14:55 GMT
I made my points about Carlisle merse, because he is a good player and so often today, you could see where he was putting the ball and our player maybe had not moved into that space, or had gone into a different space.
After a not so good start to his first season with us, he started to show what we all know he is very good at. He never gave up and would have been aware of some things being shouted out to him, from the popside. I just feel it serves no real propose to start getting on his back again.
He is a confidence player and fans can play their part for him and not getting on his back is a big part of that.Not every player can perform to their best in every game, but I have always said I would never moan about any player, who had worked hard, gave it all they had, even if what they tried did not come off etc.
Green is the best player to play along side Sills, his hold up play today was first class, he turns well and brings others into the game. Benyon came on and we lost some of our threat today and when Benyon could have made himself a hero, he did not take the chance. He was inside the box and he just needed to hit the ball with his left foot. Instead he let it come across him and just flicked at it with the outside of his right boot, the ball went with no pace straight to their keeper.
Like I said our team worked hard, played some really good football at times, Wroe may not have been at his very best, but he made plenty of good passes and got some good tackle ins. Over the two games we maybe got a bit lucky against Weymouth and today we did not get any, or the real rewards the team deserved today for pure effort alone.
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Post by luke on Dec 28, 2008 19:55:00 GMT
I made my points about Carlisle merse, because he is a good player and so often today, you could see where he was putting the ball and our player maybe had not moved into that space, or had gone into a different space. After a not so good start to his first season with us, he started to show what we all know he is very good at. He never gave up and would have been aware of some things being shouted out to him, from the popside. I just feel it serves no real propose to start getting on his back again. He is a confidence player and fans can play their part for him and not getting on his back is a big part of that.Not every player can perform to their best in every game, but I have always said I would never moan about any player, who had worked hard, gave it all they had, even if what they tried did not come off etc. Green is the best player to play along side Sills, his hold up play today was first class, he turns well and brings others into the game. [glow=red,2,300]Benyon came on and we lost some of our threat today and when Benyon could have made himself a hero, he did not take the chance. He was inside the box and he just needed to hit the ball with his left foot. Instead he let it come across him and just flicked at it with the outside of his right boot, the ball went with no pace straight to their keeper.[/glow] Like I said our team worked hard, played some really good football at times, Wroe may not have been at his very best, but he made plenty of good passes and got some good tackle ins. Over the two games we maybe got a bit lucky against Weymouth and today we did not get any, or the real rewards the team deserved today for pure effort alone. I dont think Green would have put that away either. I see that Green needs a run in the side to get his confidence up but whilst he is having that run he isnt scoring and as a result the team results are suffering. I am pretty sure Benyon would have put away the one on one at the begining of the match and i also feel that he makes the runs in behind the defence rather than Green who chases balls that are punted up to him and then simly holds the ball up. But who is he holding the ball up for? Sills' strong point is not his feet and with the form of the wingers at the moment we need someone upfront who can score on their own. |
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Post by Dave on Dec 28, 2008 20:07:26 GMT
Luke I can't say that Green would have put the Benyon chance away, but Green is a far better player, who does run into space to where the likes of Nico will want to play the ball. I watched Benyon when he came on and he did not once but twice the same thing I have seen him do, when he has come on as a sub.
The ball is up in the air, he knows that he is more forward than Sills, yet he just flicks it on forward, into any empty box as far as TUFC players are concerned.
I want to say a word on Nico's game today, in my view he played well, never got skinned by their winger and put some good balls into the box.The reason I feel I need to say this is, the same group behind me who were shouting for Carlisle to be taken off, also had a few words to say about Nico.
He did over hit one corner in the second half, then I heard how much longer do you need Nico to sort it out. Very unfair indeed, as one great ball in the first half, found an unmarked Carlisle, who had stole into the box, only for the ball to be headed high over the bar.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Dec 28, 2008 20:20:36 GMT
I've given-up remonstrating with idiots who vocally critisise players in the match - especially wwhen they are doing their job well!
To add to my original posting, I thought Hodges today was absolutely superb - the best I have seen him since he arrived.
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Post by Dave on Dec 28, 2008 20:29:43 GMT
otobe, I was not a fan of Hodges playing as a left back, but after a not to convincing start there, he has really proved that he is a good player and has grown in that position. We must not forget just how good Woods has been playing this season.
I smiled to myself today, thanks to Steve Woods, he was close to the halfway line and close to the popside. I shouted as loud as I could "man on woodies" he dealt with the player and then turned to me and gave me, yes just little Dave, a very big thumbs up. That made my day today, only a little thing I know, but he did not have to do anything and could have taken the attitude, that he knew the player was there.
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Post by chelstongull on Dec 28, 2008 20:52:11 GMT
What can you say about todays game........
How we seem to rue the one-on-one misses like the one Greeny missed in the first minute against a Kiddi side who passed the ball well but didn't create more than one decent chance in which they scored.
Thought their Captain Crighton(?) played well today and woull like to see him or someone like him at the heart of our defence next year. Not that Woodsy or Hodges played badly - Woodsie must be up there for player of the season.
Nothing seemed to go right in front of goal today and Sillsy's tame penalty miss summed the day up.
....encouraging (and quite right) that there were no boos at the end of the match today.
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Post by Dave on Dec 28, 2008 20:57:13 GMT
What can you say Phil? I was near some angry young man and will do a post on that later. The goals have dried up the last few games, we really need to start getting the ball wide and get good crosses into the box for Sills. Just who is the best we have who can provide that service. Answers on a postcard. Nice to chat with you today.
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Post by chelstongull on Dec 28, 2008 21:10:13 GMT
Always a pleasure to chat with you Dave.
Thought Carlisle had a poor game today by his standards. We all know he can play well. Confidence in front of goal has all but disapeared.
Can't see what the various fans (in the loosest terms) think they can gain from abusing players. Players will always have a bad game but as long as they try...
Agree with your comments about Woodsie, he has been awsome this season.
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Post by Dave on Dec 28, 2008 21:18:43 GMT
Yes things did not come of for him today, nor against Weymouth, but when you look at the players, you can clearly see, they are all playing for each other out on the pitch. They look a well bonded group of players and Steve Woods shows the feeling well, by the content smiles he has on his face.
The problem is that results are still and aways will be what matters in the end, we got a result against Weymouth, that might have gone the other way, were the far the better team today and end up losing the match.
We still have a long way to go and no one can start writing us off just yet, but I do fear about the effects on gates etc, if we do not go up this season.I still believe that Burton will have a bad run of games and we need to be in a position, where we make sure we take advantage of any slip ups they make.
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Post by jmgull on Dec 29, 2008 0:39:43 GMT
...Horrible result today.
Our football and our effort deserved so much more, its all about sticking it away, we didnt for a change, cant be too downhearted though when we play like that.
Kidderminster are like so many other clubs in the top half of this league......hard working, distinctly average and bereft of any spark - they got lucky today, but wont be a threat come May.
From an attacking point of view i was only really dissapointed with our wingers - who I felt failed to get behind their full backs and deliver telling crosses - against a big slow defence like Kiddies, you have to get them facing their own goal, so much good approach play was wasted by an early slow cross which was meat and drink for Creighton and co.
As for the Benyon/Green argument.......its an easy choice.
Green is the most promising forward i have seen at Plainmoor for a long, long time......and must (and will, i reckon) be given a good run in the side.
He has tremendous pace and power, with practice and confidence his finishing will improve because he's already technically sound.
I think he might well earn us a fair few bob in time.
....Elliott is a smashing lad and a real trier, who can be a very useful finisher but he's not in the same league as Green....potentially.
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Post by rjdgull on Dec 29, 2008 8:35:52 GMT
Fully agree with the comment above. The stats say it all really. Torquay had 10 shots on target compared with 1 for Kiddiminster. Very disappointing result and hard to take when we were clearly the better team. Just one of those days I suppose, as at Weymouth we will play a lot worse and win!" Looking forward to next week's game without any pressure on us. Agree with above comments about Green. As someone who hit something like 11 goals in 16 games at the end of last season for Oxford, I'm sure the goals will start to come! Carlisle, like Green, has been out of the side up until recently and that confidence in front of goal isn't quite there yet but it will come! 8) In respect of the league situation, a very tough ask now but Burton won't necessarily do an Aldershot and we must remember that Exeter made up 11 points on us after their New Year's Day defeat at Plainmoor.  |
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Post by stevedeckchair on Dec 29, 2008 10:51:25 GMT
How pleasing to read all the positive comments about Matt Green. I thought i was watching a different game to most around me yesterday and anyone who can't see how good he's going to be must be blind. I'm a big fan of benyon, but green has made the 2nd striker spot his own now. Hope he gets a good run in the side now to build some confidence.
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Post by jmgull on Dec 29, 2008 11:22:09 GMT
If you read the "other site" - most are writing him off as rubbish  . It says a lot for the few posters left on dot.net. |
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