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Post by merse on Jun 29, 2009 2:49:27 GMT
Here's one I stumbled across in Wikipedia (it must be true) - which former Torquay loanee has turned out for England's Learning Disability team?  There must be fecking loads of em' judging by the repeated rubbish SOME managers insisted on inflicting on us !  ........................and some of those managers had difficulty learning too!!!!  |
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Jun 29, 2009 22:26:08 GMT
I never knew what happend to him - I remember as a very excited young supporter that a player had come along from the Bundesliga, but rather perplexed that he never turned-out for us. I sometimes wonder if I imagined it all.
I recall Riffi Hadoui turning-out in the famous Eddie May team of '95/96. A Danish player that we had over here courtesy of Carlsberg who financed the deadline day deal! We had some OK'ish individuals play for us that season, but some utter rubbish, sadly Riffi was very enthusiastic but absolutely hopeless.
In answer to Capitalgull's question, I vaguely remember Dean Chandler being yer man.... Is that right?
He was highly rated at Charlton alongside Lee Bowyer - they hit the headlines for testing positive for smoking dope. Bowyer's career went stratospheric for a time until the "incident" at Leeds, Chandler bumbled around non-league clubs around London for a while after his release from Yeovil.
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Post by capitalgull on Jun 30, 2009 9:46:38 GMT
Dean Chandler is indeed correct - he was really highly regarded at The Valley but is just another one of those hyped up players to end up plying their trade at very low levels.
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Post by romfordkev on Jun 30, 2009 13:51:47 GMT
Dean Chandler is indeed correct - he was really highly regarded at The Valley but is just another one of those hyped up players to end up plying their trade at very low levels. Last I heard, he was playing for REDBRIDGE FC (formerly Ford United) in the RYMAN LEAGUE DIVISION ONE NORTH. If still there, he will come up against newly promoted ROMFORD FC (Essex Senior League Champions 2008/09!!) this season. |
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Post by Jon on Jun 30, 2009 22:55:41 GMT
I'll name the managers :
England 5 : Billy Butler, Jack Butler, Cyril Knowles, Roy McFarland, Keith Curle
Scotland 3 : Alex Massie, Alan Brown, Bruce Rioch
Wales 2 : Bob John, John Cornforth
Ireland 1 : Frank O'Farrell
Yugoslavia 1 : Ivan Golac
Czechoslovakia 1 : Lubos Kubik
Sierra Leone 1 : Leroy Rosenior
One of the under-21's we missed out was player-manager Don O'Riordan for Ireland, and our first two player- managers were both amateur internationals - Crad Evans for Wales and Harry Raymond for England.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 8:47:05 GMT
I'll name the managers : England 5 : Billy Butler, Jack Butler, Cyril Knowles, Roy McFarland, Keith Curle Scotland 3 : Alex Massie, Alan Brown, Bruce Rioch Wales 2 : Bob John, John Cornforth Ireland 1 : Frank O'Farrell Yugoslavia 1 : Ivan Golac Czechoslovakia 1 : Lubos Kubik Sierra Leone 1 : Leroy Rosenior One of the under-21's we missed out was player-manager Don O'Riordan for Ireland, and our first two player- managers were both amateur internationals - Crad Evans for Wales and Harry Raymond for England. I knew old Crad Evans would get in there somehow! As for amateur internationals, I seem to recall John Swannell of Hendon - who played for England Amateurs for donkeys years - was once on non-contract forms at Plainmoor and may have even appeared in a friendly in the late 1960s. Tommy Northcott, John Knapman and Ian Twitchin played for England Youth whilst with Torquay United. Each played as amateurs at a time when England fielded entirely separate amateur and professional youth sides. Northcott, in the late 1940s, would have been one of the earliest youth internationals with the records showing he was representing Devon rather than Torquay United. John Knapman won his youth caps as a Torquay GS sixth former when I was a first year in shorts and striped blazer (what on earth prompted me to opt for one of those?). I may have mentioned before that he was given special dispensation to wear his FA blazer rather than the usual sixth-form attire. He later won an FA Trophy medal with Bishop's Stortford and – thanks to some internet research – I’ve discovered he’s recently been chair of Epping Forest District Council. Torbay players never seemed to get close to playing for the old England Schools U15 team which existed from 1907 to the late 1990s when the FA took over organising the team from the English Schools Football Association (switching it to an U16 side in the process). I picked up a little ESFA booklet in Sportspages which lists everybody who played for this side and the sole Torquay Schools representative appears to be Sid Cann in the mid 1920s. The England Schools U18 team is a slightly different matter as this is more designed for sixth formers and (some) college students. Maurice Cox and Andy Rowland both played as Torquay GS pupils as did Mark Gennard. |
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Post by aussie on Jul 1, 2009 16:14:55 GMT
Didn`t we have an Australian goal keeper at one point on loan? He might have made it to under 21s or something, I can`t remember his name I just remember taking my Australian flag into Plainmoor and getting him to notice it (and me)!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2009 19:41:55 GMT
Didn`t we have an Australian goal keeper at one point on loan? He might have made it to under 21s or something, I can`t remember his name I just remember taking my Australian flag into Plainmoor and getting him to notice it (and me)! Andy Petterson from Fremantle via Portsmouth and numerous other clubs. |
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Post by Jon on Jul 1, 2009 21:46:56 GMT
Tommy Northcott, John Knapman and Ian Twitchin played for England Youth ...... Maurice Cox and Andy Rowland both played as Torquay GS pupils as did Mark Gennard. I think you’ve covered the locally-born schoolboy and youth internationals. The list of former schoolboy and youth internationals who went on to play for us would be pretty lengthy. Are you sure you’re not getting your amateur goalies mixed up? I don’t remember hearing anything about Swannell, but we certainly had the Oxford City and England Amateur keeper John SHIPPEY registered at the end of the 1968/69 season. Shippey played for us in a Plainmoor friendly against Stoke – we lost 1-2 with Micky Cave putting one past Gordon Banks - in April 1969 and it was part of the deal that we played a friendly at Oxford City in May 1969 – Kenny Sandercock scored in a 1-1 draw. Both games are listed here: www.tufchistory.co.ukAccording to W.J.Luscombe, we had another Oxford City and England Amateur international playing for us before the Great War. He reported that Harold Tabernacle was so impressed with Torquay Town’s hospitality at a “smoker” after our 1910 FA Cup tie that he agreed to play for us. If I understand early twentieth century terminology correctly, a “smoker” is a “p*ss up”. I suppose telling a club you love them and want to play for them at a “smoker” carries about as much weight as telling a girl on a Saturday night that you love her and want to marry her. I haven’t found any record of Tabernacle actually playing for Torquay and I can’t find any record of him playing for England either. He was a centre-forward of some repute however – he scored twice for Oxford City in the 1906 FA Amateur Cup final. |
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Post by Jon on Jul 1, 2009 21:50:22 GMT
I've thought of another international - Wales Centre Forward James Jones who we signed off Aberdare straight after we took their place in the League.
I suppose Neil Franklin doesn't count as he was in the transitional 1945/46 season. Stanley Mathews defintely doesn't count as that was a friendly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2009 6:45:29 GMT
Tommy Northcott, John Knapman and Ian Twitchin played for England Youth ...... Maurice Cox and Andy Rowland both played as Torquay GS pupils as did Mark Gennard. Are you sure you’re not getting your amateur goalies mixed up? I don’t remember hearing anything about Swannell, but we certainly had the Oxford City and England Amateur keeper John SHIPPEY registered at the end of the 1968/69 season. Shippey played for us in a Plainmoor friendly against Stoke – we lost 1-2 with Micky Cave putting one past Gordon Banks - in April 1969 and it was part of the deal that we played a friendly at Oxford City in May 1969 – Kenny Sandercock scored in a 1-1 draw. Both games are listed here: www.tufchistory.co.ukShippey, that's the man! Given the number of times Swannell played for England, Shippey must have been his deputy. So did we play 68/69 with only one professional goalkeeper - Andy Donnelly - on the books with Paddy Roche, the regular reserve 'keeper, not regarded as being good enough for first team games? It's easy to forget Roche only turned 18 during that season. Donnelly played every game that season and, in fact, had a long unbroken sequence in the first team from October 1967, when he replaced John Dunn, to April 1970 when he missed a couple of games. For those two games at the back end of 69/70 Robert Gray played in goal. The centenary history records we signed him from Inverurie Locos and, once he left us, he went on to play in the Highland League for years. What was his story? Here's the programme line-ups from that Stoke friendly which featured two England goalies:  And here's another programme with Robert "Robins" playing in goal. If this is the same Robert Robbins who played for us in 76/77 he would only have been fifteen at the time:  |
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Post by aussie on Jul 2, 2009 6:55:49 GMT
Cheers B`art`on, I couldn`t remember his name for toffee!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2009 11:31:13 GMT
According to W.J.Luscombe, we had another Oxford City and England Amateur international playing for us before the Great War.....I haven’t found any record of Tabernacle actually playing for Torquay and I can’t find any record of him playing for England either. He was a centre-forward of some repute however – he scored twice for Oxford City in the 1906 FA Amateur Cup final. Jon, you've probably seen this: www.englandsamateurs.com/download/playerlist.pdf. The first amateur internationals were played in 1906 - so he could have played - but no mention of Harold here. Indeed, just where you'd expect his name, you'll merely see "Tanner, JDP" the very man who got me my FA Cup final tickets in 1984 and 1986! Another one of WJ's little historical errors perhaps? I suppose Neil Franklin doesn't count as he was in the transitional 1945/46 season. He's worth a mention because he was regarded as a great player. Mind you, he's now mainly remembered as one of the players who broke the rules and went to play in Colombia in 1950 for an awful amount of dosh in those years of austerity. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2009 11:46:10 GMT
Rather alarmingly, I can come up with a nicely-balanced team of Wales Under-21 internationals. I think it says quite a lot about the strength in depth of Welsh football.  Rhys Wilmot Ryan Green Dudley Lewis Michael Brough Kyle Critchell Alex Lawless Anthony Pulis Jason Rees Daryl Pugh Andrew Martin Eifion Williams Sub: Jamal Easter |
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Post by merse on Jul 3, 2009 3:04:19 GMT
For those two games at the back end of 69/70 Robert Gray played in goal. The centenary history records we signed him from Inverurie Locos and, once he left us, he went on to play in the Highland League for years. What was his story? And here's another programme with Robert "Robins" playing in goal. If this is the same Robert Robbins who played for us in 76/77 he would only have been fifteen at the time: was another young keeper who was brought to the club at the same time as Pat Roche and used to play for Newton Spurs when not required for Western League duty. I can recall hearing a story that he ended up as a very good striker with Dundee United, although I can't vouch for that; but I can recall us reaching the Devon County Youth Cup Final with Bob in the team and the occasion still causes painful memories for me as we faced Heavitree United including the fearsome Peter Darke in their defence and I got dropped for the final to accomodate "Goalkeeper" Bobby Gray.................to play as a very big striker!  That was indeed Rob Robbins who was always referrred to on team sheets as "Robert" for some unknown reason, and with Ian Twitchin and Phil Sandercock would have made up a trio of fourteen year olds in that reserve team ~ remarkable!. Dennis Bishton was a trialist from Oxford City if I remember rightly, Stuart McGowan is the son of Matt McGowan, the former Chairman of Weymouth FC who has in fact posted on this forum during last season. Keith House either went on to become, or was a former apprentice; at Exeter City and David "Den" Dodd was actually a local police officer (detective no less) based with Lester Shapter and an outstanding player with the local "Boys in Blue" who played in the Torbay Wednesday League in those days. |
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