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Post by jmgull on Oct 19, 2009 16:12:55 GMT
definatley not, he is our main attacking force and has been for two seasons. any full back is vulnerable when faced with one on ones and frequently 2 on 1s as he was on saturday. it was a different story in the second half when wayne carlisle gave him much needed support. "nico" is one of our very few players with "class". as for his much discussed lack of pace, well if he had that extra yard , he wuld not be playing at this level, he would minimum championship. wait until he is not playing and see how much he is missed. someone recently had the ludicrous suggestion of playing greavies in nicos position., caw unbelievable! ...couldn't agree more phipsy. Nicholson dead ball skills, long throw and assists (nearly 50 in a couple of seasons or so) would be impossible to replace with our budget. You are dead right that an extra yard of pace would have seen Nicho in the CCC. Compare him to Mansell who needs a lot less cover as he has just enough pace to cope with a speedy winger.......Mansell can barely pass water and offers us far less in an attacking sence. I'm personally happy with both of them, our deficiencies in other areas are more of a concern. |
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Post by aussie on Oct 19, 2009 16:39:02 GMT
definatley not, he is our main attacking force and has been for two seasons. any full back is vulnerable when faced with one on ones and frequently 2 on 1s as he was on saturday. it was a different story in the second half when wayne carlisle gave him much needed support. "nico" is one of our very few players with "class". as for his much discussed lack of pace, well if he had that extra yard , he wuld not be playing at this level, he would minimum championship. wait until he is not playing and see how much he is missed. someone recently had the ludicrous suggestion of playing greavies in nicos position., caw unbelievable! ...couldn't agree more phipsy. Nicholson dead ball skills, long throw and assists (nearly 50 in a couple of seasons or so) would be impossible to replace with our budget. You are dead right that an extra yard of pace would have seen Nicho in the CCC. Compare him to Mansell who needs a lot less cover as he has just enough pace to cope with a speedy winger.......Mansell can barely pass water and offers us far less in an attacking sence. I'm personally happy with both of them, our deficiencies in other areas are more of a concern. Mansell when he was injured was a massive loss to the side and Nico works best in 3-5-2 formation, we need a left back and a right back, one for cover for Manse and one so we have the ability too change the formation to suit opposition strategies, a Zeb type winger on the left and a proven goal scorer at this or a higher level, there the first places I would look at shoring up! |
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Post by jerry on Oct 19, 2009 16:59:14 GMT
Buckle obviously wasn't going to play 3-5-2 at home Fonda, in essence its a defensive formation........and one that would have had the usual buckle beefers up in arms. I seem to remember we played this formation at home pretty regularly under Kevin Hodges, didn't hear any grumbles then, and it was anything but defensive! It does my head in when people blame a result or a performance on just the managers supposed tactical inabilty........3-5-2, 4-4-2, 5-3-2, 5-4-1 or 9-0-1 or whatever, you can have the best system in the flippin' world but it wont win you football matches.........this is just a myth that keeps old pro's in work as tv pundits and sells millions on champ manager games........... they are won with heart, determination, hard graft, the confidence to display ones skill and very occasionally the run of the ball.Obviously all these qualities are vital but surely you have to play a system that gets the most out of what you've got. I'm a big fan of Buckles generally but he got it badly wrong on Saturday! |
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Post by aussie on Oct 19, 2009 17:10:05 GMT
Managers will get it wrong at all levels occasionally, ask Chelsea! Chuckle chuckle!! ;D
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Post by jmgull on Oct 19, 2009 17:33:04 GMT
Buckle obviously wasn't going to play 3-5-2 at home Fonda, in essence its a defensive formation........and one that would have had the usual buckle beefers up in arms. I seem to remember we played this formation at home pretty regularly under Kevin Hodges, didn't hear any grumbles then, and it was anything but defensive! It does my head in when people blame a result or a performance on just the managers supposed tactical inabilty........3-5-2, 4-4-2, 5-3-2, 5-4-1 or 9-0-1 or whatever, you can have the best system in the flippin' world but it wont win you football matches.........this is just a myth that keeps old pro's in work as tv pundits and sells millions on champ manager games........... they are won with heart, determination, hard graft, the confidence to display ones skill and very occasionally the run of the ball.Obviously all these qualities are vital but surely you have to play a system that gets the most out of what you've got. I'm a big fan of Buckles generally but he got it badly wrong on Saturday! In the Hodges side we had Gurney and Gibbs who were natural wing backs.......and yes it worked a treat. Of course you need a system to suit your side, i'd prob always stick to 4-4-2 at home, my issue was that you cant always blame poor performances on the system, that's an easy cop out.........we were second best to Morecambe all over the pitch....man for man. |
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Post by hector on Oct 19, 2009 18:09:48 GMT
Merse defenders need to defend first and Ellis does that in my book, he is young and still has much to learn and he does have a brain and anyway is that not what we employ coaches for at football clubs? to get players to improve the weaker side of their game?  I agree with you on all points relating to Ellis, Dave. The point is though that poor quality distribution only results in renewed and rapid pressure being heaped back on the defence as the ball comes winging back in again. Yes that is what we employ coaches to do and one hopes that Mark Ellis is one of the first players that Stuart Gibson finds time to work with, and then young Benyon on his appalling inability to hold the ball up. [glow=red,2,300]On such things do seasons turn and a more measured distribution out of defence might see the maximising of the potential of Nicky Wroe for one[/glow]. I would agree with you on that. Our distribution out of defence has been a bit woeful recently, so no wonder Nicky Wroe has been finding it hard to make an impact. Saying that, I think he had one of his best games this season on saturday. |
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Post by hector on Oct 19, 2009 18:10:21 GMT
Merse defenders need to defend first and Ellis does that in my book, he is young and still has much to learn and he does have a brain and anyway is that not what we employ coaches for at football clubs? to get players to improve the weaker side of their game? I agree with you on all points relating to Ellis, Dave. The point is though that poor quality distribution only results in renewed and rapid pressure being heaped back on the defence as the ball comes winging back in again. Yes that is what we employ coaches to do and one hopes that Mark Ellis is one of the first players that Stuart Gibson finds time to work with, and then young Benyon on his appalling inability to hold the ball up. On such things do seasons turn and a more measured distribution out of defence might see the maximising of the potential of Nicky Wroe for one. |
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Post by Fonda on Oct 19, 2009 19:03:22 GMT
Whatever the merits of 4-4-2, 3-5-2 or 4-3-3, at a time when results are hard to come by, i can't understand the logic in changing a line-up and formation that worked well in the game before. It was widely acknowledged after the County game that if the full-backs are able to maintain a position high up the pitch, it's possible to create plenty of chances using wing-backs. Home or Away, is really irrelevant. What is of most importance is that it's a formation that makes the best of the players we have, and that worked well the last time we used it (a matter of days before). Perhaps the formation wasn;t totally to blame for the result on Saturday, but we didn;t give ourselves the best chance of a result by exposing the weaknesses of certain players. No cover for Nicho, when we've seen all season how vulnerable that makes him? Rendell was completely lost and achieved nothing. Benyon is a goalscorer, yet having to cover wide meant he hardly got near the penalty area. Our threat was negated, and our problems there for all to see.
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Post by stuartB on Oct 19, 2009 21:32:59 GMT
 Sorry for the sizing but this is the big bugger who marked Benyon out of the game. so why did Benyon get a higher mark than anyone else except Poke in the Indy? i think he is lightweight and must be replaced. what game do these papers watch? Dave saunders on radio Devon must have been on something, his summary was a joke compared to what i watched |
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Post by Jon on Nov 2, 2009 20:19:23 GMT
Right....I'm off to take the missus up the Dumpling!  I had a day out in the South Hams last week and drove past the Tradesmans Arms. I did think it is a good job that Chelston doesn't live in Stokenham. |
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Post by chelstongull on Nov 2, 2009 20:31:10 GMT
Right....I'm off to take the missus up the Dumpling! I had a day out in the South Hams last week and drove past the Tradesmans Arms. I did think it is a good job that Chelston doesn't live in Stokenham. I resemble that remark. I would have commented earlier but I have been in the bath. |
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