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Post by suepowell on Aug 11, 2010 15:55:33 GMT
Note: I have no idea how to take a quote from another thread, so I have just cut and pasted this comment from RJD from another thread:
Calm down Sue! This is a thread about showing some respect for a local footballer that many users on this site will have seen play. Dave S was politely warned that it was not appropriate to comment any further and when he continued has been suspended to cool off as opposed to being banned. Very little action is taken on this site but there are some responsibilities that come with free speech. Please feel free to start a new topic outside this room but kindly leave it there on this thread.
As requested, I’ve started a new thread on this.
Dave TG (or are we now outing people without their permission on here when they post under pseudonyms?) posted a view on another thread that was not shared by many on here. Dave R summarily banned him (preventing him from posting is ‘banning’ no matter how you try and dress it up by calling it ‘suspension’. What cobblers).
The fact is, other people are now free to say what they like about DTG, and he has no right of response. A response five days later is not really any response at all.
Dave TG was not ‘politely’ warned at all: he was subjected to a torrent of abuse for holding an opinion, albeit not one I share; but that is not the issue: I believe the issue is one of whether this is a ‘forum’ or whether this is just a website with the orthodox views of a few key members that the rest of us are permitted to post in support of.
Telling me to “calm down” is just patronising in the extreme. I am perfectly calm, but justifiably annoyed that someone felt they were on the moral high ground enough to upbraid me, when all I was doing was standing up for responsible debate. Your patronising tone, RJD, just serves to underline my point. The very next poster along gives an opinion. I don’t see him given grief for it.
I don't often get moved enough to post on here anymore; I find the general 'one track view' comments to not really be my idea of enjoyable reading. I want to be challenged, to be informed, to get the chance to consider views that I may not have thought of holding. Alas, that appears to be less and less the case on here (there are exceptions: Barton Downs, Jon and - wash your mouth out girl - Merse, together with a few others, often make interesting or thought-provoking posts). But it's the nature of things that I tend to only post when I disagree with something, rather than just put up some head-nodding drivel (although I don't dispute I post drivel, just not generally head-nodding drivel!).
So DTG is not a fan of Paul Buckle? So what? I'm sure Bucks is man enough not to give even half a stuff what DTG thinks - and anyway his record speaks for itself, completely contradicting DTG's opinion.
It is, of course, a real shame that the particular thread that prompted this thread ended up causing such ructions. Given the subject matter, I genuinely regret having added non-relevant words to that thread, and would be more than happy for any non-pertinent comments I made to be removed (so long as they are kept somewhere so that when I'm accused of posting x, y or z, I am able to defend myself).
It is not true that "very little action" is taken on this site. I'm always noting edits by mods, or complete deletions. Perhaps you don't realise, but to the outsider, it really does look like there is only one way to think on here: the Dave R way.
What price honest, responsible debate? If anyone has any views that could contribute to a debate, I'd be happy to hear them. I totally get that this is Dave R's 'baby' so he could publish only the propaganda he wants to, but then he really should take the word 'forum' out of the title.
I look forward to the usual cries of 'hysterical' and other anti-female rubbish, so if that could be avoided, I'd be grateful! (I'd put a smiley here, only I think they're childish nonsense, but you get my drift.)
And thanks to those who could be fagged to read to the end of this.
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Post by Dave on Aug 11, 2010 15:59:03 GMT
I have moved this to the popside as it was posted on the wrong board.
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Post by Dave on Aug 11, 2010 16:42:02 GMT
I’m very sad to read your views on the TFF Sue, I’m not sure I agree with many of the points you have made and would go so far to say many are completely inaccurate. I give my time for free running the TFF and try at all times to be 100% honest open and fair.
Everything that I do I do out in the open and give my reasons for doing so and I will correct you one thing. You would have to go back a very long way to find the last time a post was deleted on this forum, yes you will see edits done on posts and I did two yesterday. One was on a post made by merse and one by Loyalgull. The contents of both posts were not changed or altered, I simply corrected their mistakes when they used the quote facility. 99% of edits ever done are done for this reason.
The difference on here is that edits are recorded and do show on each post who made the edit and at what time and this information is also recorded in the forums security log. It keeps the forum 100% honest and any member can see if an edits been made on their post and then they can ask why OUT IN THE OPEN why an edit was done.
A little disappointed you have wanted to make your post and what you have said about me, but there we go I suppose its all about opinions in the end.
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 11, 2010 17:01:55 GMT
Sue,
Dave wrote the following this morning: -
"Davethegull anytime anyone dies is sad, he was a local football player and only 31 years old. If people want to post their respects they are more than welcome, if you don't like that then just do not read the thread. When someone dies from cancer it brings home to many on here who I know have family who are fighting this terrible thing as is my own wife, what we all do not need is for people like you to make the posts you have on this thread.
If you can't show any respect then keep your thoughts to yourself."
I'm sorry but that is what was referred to when I said he was politely warned.
I know you have made some valid points but I felt it was not in the appropriate place bearing in mind what had been posted prior to this. As I do help Dave out with the moderation I'm afraid it is my job to sometimes tell posters to calm down and it was not meant to be patronising in the extreme!
I think you will find that Dave does frown upon "I agree" posts so by all means stick your head above the parapet when you are in disagreement.
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Post by popsidegod on Aug 11, 2010 17:17:42 GMT
Sue, Brilliant post, well put. I too usually only read posts only and find that on the whole they are well written and respectfull.
I too do not agree with what has DTG posted but will defend his right to do so. If it is in the wrong thread it is up to the admin to move it but not to ban or suspend if they do not toe the line even if he has had PMs which like another topic on here cannot be substantuated.
I think that he, along with a few others, is just a wind up merchant and when he posts the usual people come back with the insults and that is a FACT (how do I get it in BOLD?). or is it automatic.
Finally I wish to add my condolences to Adams family.
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Post by scottbrehaut1 on Aug 11, 2010 17:30:15 GMT
Sue,
As a poster of both sites (although more a lurker than a poster I must admit), it is quite clear that both sites are moderated fairly (although I understand totally that some feel that they are not).
In actual fact this site is moderated in such a way that if I wanted to call you a f**k**g lady thing it would moderate it straight away, without the intervention of the moderators. Rightly so as crass statements such as the above (that has been automatically changed) have no place on forums such as this.
In the same way, crass statements such as that by DTG today have no place on this forum either.
Dave R came onto the thread, asked DTG not to post in that way again and was promptly ignored. It is then Dave's right, as owner of this forum, to take the action he sees fit. By simply banning DTG for five days it gives him a cooling off period, as well as everybody else to focus on other things instead of an all out war taking place.
At the end of the day, this site, along with all the other sites that bear the name Torquay United reflect on the club, whether we like it or not. Regardless of the caveats in place stating that these views in no way reflect that of the club, people will see the name "Torquay United" and wrongly assume that this is what all supporters think (going back to the Adam Stansfield rip thread and reading what redandwhite has posted kind of backs up my point)
In an ideal world we will all get on with each other and have differing points of view without insulting other people, or leaving crass comments on threads. Until that time we will need moderators to ensure that the site is run in the best way possible.
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Post by loyalgull on Aug 11, 2010 17:49:13 GMT
i can honestly say in many years of using forums on different subjects,this is the first time i have read disrespectful remarks along side the passing of someone,if thats the way someone feels,why post? it serves no purpose but too anger people in a time of great distress for loved ones and freinds.We are supposed to be adults and at times respect and ethics apply,this is one such occasion.Football is one big family,banter and rivalry go hand in hand,so does respect for the dead who ever it maybe,if authors of such hurtful and disrespectful ramblings cant see that,then they need to take a close look at thereselves,freedom of speech is all well and good,and i am all for that,but surely as adults we all know when and when not to post something appropiate
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Post by merse on Aug 11, 2010 18:02:30 GMT
 Redandwhite: I really don't want to post any more on the desecrated Adam Stansfield thread, so I've posted on here and hope you read this: Treat DtG as no better than the lone idiot who has to draw attention to himself by making a noise during a minute's silence or a Facebook Troll who goes onto tributes to the dead with the sole aim of being objectionable. Unfortunately there's usually one, but in this person's case he is no silly adolescent but a Far East "businessman" with a particularly nasty outlook on life and a penchant for destructive attempts at destabilising individuals in their lives (witness his incessant attacks on TUFC manager Paul Buckle) from afar. He really must be bored out of his tiny skull out there in Malaysia.
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Post by merse on Aug 11, 2010 18:13:30 GMT
By the way redandwhite, no longer will you have to put up with "Have you ever seen a beach?............." from our fans. I see after over a hundred years you have one of your own at Sid James's (not the real one) Park. Well, that's not quite true because I well remember back in the nineteen sixties your pitch then resembled a hippo pit, as indeed ours has in certain times in our history. But credit where credit is due, your pitch has set the bench mark in recent years for excellence and it must have been pretty worn out and compacted for it to necessitate being dug up and relaid ~ and that during such a dry summer! 
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Post by yorkgull on Aug 11, 2010 20:08:50 GMT
Note: I have no idea how to take a quote from another thread, so I have just cut and pasted this comment from RJD from another thread: Calm down Sue! This is a thread about showing some respect for a local footballer that many users on this site will have seen play. Dave S was politely warned that it was not appropriate to comment any further and when he continued has been suspended to cool off as opposed to being banned. Very little action is taken on this site but there are some responsibilities that come with free speech. Please feel free to start a new topic outside this room but kindly leave it there on this thread.As requested, I’ve started a new thread on this. Dave TG (or are we now outing people without their permission on here when they post under pseudonyms?) posted a view on another thread that was not shared by many on here. Dave R summarily banned him (preventing him from posting is ‘banning’ no matter how you try and dress it up by calling it ‘suspension’. What cobblers). The fact is, other people are now free to say what they like about DTG, and he has no right of response. A response five days later is not really any response at all. Dave TG was not ‘politely’ warned at all: he was subjected to a torrent of abuse for holding an opinion, albeit not one I share; but that is not the issue: I believe the issue is one of whether this is a ‘forum’ or whether this is just a website with the orthodox views of a few key members that the rest of us are permitted to post in support of. Telling me to “calm down” is just patronising in the extreme. I am perfectly calm, but justifiably annoyed that someone felt they were on the moral high ground enough to upbraid me, when all I was doing was standing up for responsible debate. Your patronising tone, RJD, just serves to underline my point. The very next poster along gives an opinion. I don’t see him given grief for it. I don't often get moved enough to post on here anymore; I find the general 'one track view' comments to not really be my idea of enjoyable reading. I want to be challenged, to be informed, to get the chance to consider views that I may not have thought of holding. Alas, that appears to be less and less the case on here (there are exceptions: Barton Downs, Jon and - wash your mouth out girl - Merse, together with a few others, often make interesting or thought-provoking posts). But it's the nature of things that I tend to only post when I disagree with something, rather than just put up some head-nodding drivel (although I don't dispute I post drivel, just not generally head-nodding drivel!). So DTG is not a fan of Paul Buckle? So what? I'm sure Bucks is man enough not to give even half a stuff what DTG thinks - and anyway his record speaks for itself, completely contradicting DTG's opinion. It is, of course, a real shame that the particular thread that prompted this thread ended up causing such ructions. Given the subject matter, I genuinely regret having added non-relevant words to that thread, and would be more than happy for any non-pertinent comments I made to be removed (so long as they are kept somewhere so that when I'm accused of posting x, y or z, I am able to defend myself). It is not true that "very little action" is taken on this site. I'm always noting edits by mods, or complete deletions. Perhaps you don't realise, but to the outsider, it really does look like there is only one way to think on here: the Dave R way. What price honest, responsible debate? If anyone has any views that could contribute to a debate, I'd be happy to hear them. I totally get that this is Dave R's 'baby' so he could publish only the propaganda he wants to, but then he really should take the word 'forum' out of the title. I look forward to the usual cries of 'hysterical' and other anti-female rubbish, so if that could be avoided, I'd be grateful! (I'd put a smiley here, only I think they're childish nonsense, but you get my drift.) And thanks to those who could be fagged to read to the end of this. Sue, I see where you're coming from and I agree that there is almost a fear to go against the consensus on here at times. And on that note... Will someone please explain to me why it's OK for someone who defrauded a cancer charity to take the moral high ground on the death of a young father from cancer, and not be called the thieving little bastard that is deserved? And since when did mental illness become an excuse for not knowing right from wrong? |
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Post by merse on Aug 11, 2010 20:20:46 GMT
Will someone please explain to me why it's OK for someone who defrauded a cancer charity to take the moral high ground on the death of a young father from cancer, and not be called the thieving little bastard that is deserved? And since when did mental illness become an excuse for not knowing right from wrong? Autism (or more accurately Asperger's syndrom) is a nuerological disorder NOT a mental illness. It is NOT a valid reason for not knowing right from wrong. Thieves and liars DO know right from wrong, it's just that they choose to take the wrong road rather than the right road.................whether they are autistic or not! |
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Post by loyalgull on Aug 11, 2010 20:42:29 GMT
but you can have aspergers and a mental illness thats undefined
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Post by merse on Aug 11, 2010 20:47:03 GMT
Granted, but he's never claimed to have one of those. You can however, get arrested and sent for trial for theft; and he's got away with murder on that front................and with winter coming on ~ Elliot Benyon would like his jacket back too! 
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Post by loyalgull on Aug 11, 2010 22:19:27 GMT
most i have read on this thread to be honest is what doesnt make a forum,why do some of you bother at all?
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Post by forevertufc on Aug 11, 2010 23:20:43 GMT
A thread/book of condolence was started on this forum.
maybe sue can tell us what DTG anti-buckle views have got to with a book of condolence thread,and since when when has opposing views and opinions become part of a book of condolence.
the concept of a book of condolence whether it on a forum in the form of a thread or not, is very simple.
you either if you wish leave your r.i.p message or you say nothing,its not rocket science,even the most UN-educated person knows how it works.
a concept that DTG clearly does not understand,and it would appear he is not on his own.
when it comes to a book/thread of condolence,it is not about whether you support this forum,dot net or both,nor is it about personal motive's or the team you support.
views and opinions do not come in to it either,as said above you either leave your message or say nothing.
as Scott.b says above the name torquay united is on this and other forums,us torquay united fans are known up an down the country as fair minded decent football fans.
i have never felt so angered and so ashamed of being a torquay fan,as i have today,that people in my honest opinion have let there own personal motive's get in the way,of a simple book of condolence thread.
shame on you,and i back 100 % Dave.r actions.
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