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Post by aussie on Sept 15, 2010 17:23:11 GMT
www.greatwestern.org.uk/d1000m_in.htmI often wondered why after only 15 years service most were cut up but I now know why. Dodgy windscreen wipers and cracks in the fuel pumps not hairy bum crack syndrome. Couldn`t resist the hairy bum crack could you?
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Post by merse on Sept 15, 2010 17:30:44 GMT
Don't you think Chris Hargreaves is coming over as a trifle stressed these days?
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Post by aussie on Sept 15, 2010 17:49:04 GMT
Don't you think Chris Hargreaves is coming over as a trifle stressed these days? ;D ;D ;D Nice one!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by keyberrygull on Sept 15, 2010 20:44:08 GMT
www.greatwestern.org.uk/d1000m_in.htmI often wondered why after only 15 years service most were cut up but I now know why. Dodgy windscreen wipers and cracks in the fuel pumps not hairy bum crack syndrome. Couldn`t resist the hairy bum crack could you? I bloody hope so! I would not want it to get on top of me.
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Post by keyberrygull on Sept 17, 2010 6:56:43 GMT
With train drivers earning more than £35k pa, the RMT's militant leader Bob Crowe, would have been better off listening to the Governor of the Bank of England the other day. He would then be able to advise his members how to invest their spare money instead of finding the the best way of disrupting our nation.
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Post by chelstongull on Sept 17, 2010 9:25:02 GMT
Me and Mrs C are off to (hopefully) Looe tomorrow on the train for a day out. If I remember I'll take some photos of the area and the trains we went on.
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Post by merse on Sept 17, 2010 10:19:38 GMT
With train drivers earning more than £35k pa, the RMT's militant leader Bob Crowe, would have been better off listening to the Governor of the Bank of England the other day. By far the majority of train drivers belong to ASLEF (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers & Firemen) and not the RMT (formerly the National Union of Railwaymen and the National Union of Seamen). ASLEF has approximately 18,000 members and the RMT over 80,000 being Britain's fastest growing union attracting a steady stream of new members attracted by Bob Crow and his pro-active class war on the Tories. Before you shout "Labour!" The Labour Party dis-affiliated the RMT in 2004 following the union providing financial support in favour of the Scottish Socialist Party................. Tony B Liar's New Labour didn't like true Socialists either Brian. The average ASLEF train driver's salary is around 40K per annum for passenger operation, and 33K per annum for freight drivers ~ hard negotiated and well earned remuneration following years of the low basic, overtime driven and excessive hours culture of the old British Rail. The average working week now is now around 35 hours and a much safer environment is thus guaranteed for all train passengers and staff. Most drivers work a rostered four day week and little if any overtime is worked. Many drivers on the London Underground (and a minority have switched to the RMT)who do not have the seniority, are still required to agree to work their shifts at short notice and fore go the right to a guaranteed free weekend in exchange for an average 40k per annum. They can have their pre-agreed weekend free time cancelled at short notice and for that I reckon they are giving good service for that £800 per week don't you? The problems of the global economy collapsing are hardly the fault of the railway workers are they Brian? More likely the fault of the banking fraternity of which Mervyn King as Governor of the Bank of England are culpable...................any lunatic can see that for God's sake! You call Bob Crow a "militant" ~ well yes he is, but is George Osborne not a militant too?................a militant of the right, rather than the left? Crow is after all a former railway track side worker and he does know the "dirty side" of the industry. He has seen the membership of his union increase by a staggering 50% since attaining the General Secretariat in 2004 ~ proof that by far the majority of workers in his industry seek and respect a man who will stand shoulder to shoulder with them and not pander to the whim of politicians in order to give them an easy life and enhance their chances of re-election. London Underground are reeling from the collapse of Metronet and the PPP brought in by politicians, why should the workers give up their already signed, sealed and delivered terms of employment merely to prop up that lame duck regime imposed on them by politicians?.....................politicians elected by the people of this country and not held to account satisfactorily by those people when their tomfoolery collapsed into the chaos "militants" such as Bob Crow said they would. Bob Crow's current income is as follows: Basic Salary ~ £94,787. Bonus & pension remuneration ~ £38,000 and he claimed a further £9,980 in expenses and £2,376 in travel costs = £145,548 pa. It doesn't take Mervyn King or George Osborne to calculate that he costs the individual member of the RMT a whopping £1.80 a YEAR to employ! Mervyn King's £302,885 annual salary was recently cut by 5% ~ now who gives the better value for money, the Governor of the Bank of England or the General Secretary of the RMT who doesn't cost the public of this country a penny? Again, if you don't like the message don't shoot the messenger; shoot the bastards who wrote it!
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Post by keyberrygull on Sept 17, 2010 13:17:32 GMT
Earlier this year and at a time when business could least afford it , millions of people were forced to stay at home on the first working day after Easter due to a rail strike. This sort of selfish behavior cost the economy an estimated £600 million, tipped companies over the edge and ultimately thousands of jobs were lost. Not theirs though so that OK. They are the best party political broadcast the Tories could wish for. Bring back Maggie thats what I say
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Post by lambethgull on Sept 17, 2010 13:41:13 GMT
Maggie will soon be dead, and workers will be withdrawing their labour long after she's gone. Live with it.
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Post by Rags on Sept 17, 2010 13:43:23 GMT
Earlier this year and at a time when business could least afford it , millions of people were forced to stay at home on the first working day after Easter due to a rail strike. This sort of selfish behavior cost the economy an estimated £600 million, tipped companies over the edge and ultimately thousands of jobs were lost. Not theirs though so that OK. They are the best party political broadcast the Tories could wish for. Do you mind if I ask two genuine questions? 1) Would you be able to demonstrate how a one day strike, on the day after the four-day Easter break, can cause the economy £600m? and 2) by the same consequence, how much did the 2009/2010 winter snowfall cost the economy, and who's to blame for that? Thank you.
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Post by stefano on Sept 17, 2010 13:53:31 GMT
Earlier this year and at a time when business could least afford it , millions of people were forced to stay at home on the first working day after Easter due to a rail strike. This sort of selfish behavior cost the economy an estimated £600 million, tipped companies over the edge and ultimately thousands of jobs were lost. Not theirs though so that OK. They are the best party political broadcast the Tories could wish for. ....how much did the 2009/2010 winter snowfall cost the economy, and who's to blame for that? Socialists I heard!
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Post by stefano on Sept 17, 2010 14:02:22 GMT
Maggie will soon be dead, and workers will be withdrawing their labour long after she's gone. Yes they will and for purely selfish reasons and not giving a damn how it affects anybody else. It's really only school playground and teenage Peer Group Pressure for adults. Twas ever thus
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Post by chelstongull on Sept 17, 2010 14:18:08 GMT
I shall be taking my sister up the Dumpling this evening where we will toast the health of Maggie.
Three cheers for Maggie...
Hip hip Hurrah...
Hip hip Hurrah...
Hip hip Hurrah...
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Post by merse on Sept 17, 2010 15:48:59 GMT
In 1991 I was a Union Committe member within the TGWU and was highly active in the industrial struggle between members of that union and the London Forest Bus Company which had been set up as a puppet project through the support of the Tory Party with which to gain a foothold in the Conservative project of de-regulating the London Bus industry. Not a policy to improve the bus service for Londoners in any way shape or form, but to confront the unions and to soften the Londonwide bus operation for privatisation in eleven different franchises. London Forest was the first such company and it was deliberately aimed at the union stronghold of north east London and became fully operational in 1989. By 1991 the company was fully into it's politically driven nonsense and bid for a network of eleven of it's own routes at a rate so low they were driven to attempt to reduce wages by over 20% AND increase the working week by the same percentage................so much for putting the safety of the public first eh? So much for the employer's "duty of care" for it's employees and their families' welfare! The entire staff of 1,300 walked out and stayed out for two weeks whilst the company were forced to surrender the network and dispose of it's confrontational manager Tom Young. Yes, the politicians were all too ready to provoke the carnage and all to ready to distance themselves from it once they got a bloody good hiding. Being on strike for two weeks is a bloody financial nightmare and results in many, many people having to seek and pay off loans that take ages to pay off. It takes TWO sides to bring about a withdrawal of labour ~ never forget that. Everybody lost in the London Forest Bus Strike, the workers financially, the company got wound up and the management disposed of. The dogmatists of the Tory Party who caused it, Thatcher and Ridley;never used a bloody bus in their lives of course and sat smugly by. Almost two decades later, London's buses are now fully regulated again as opposed to the mess you have in Devon in an unregulated, profit driven system that Dave has fully illustrated the shortcomings of on this very forum. London's bus workers are STILL the highest paid in the land and it's customers enjoy the lowest fares and highest frequency of service in the land too. A fully modern fleet of no vehicle over three years old and ALL fully compliant regards access for the disabled and wheelchair bound. Nowhere in the rest of the country can boast that. To denigrate workers who withdraw their labour to secure their terms and conditions is as reprehensible as engineering disputes leading up to them purely for political expedience. Workers do not lightly withdraw their labour although many political activists all too readily seek to bring about such confrontation ~ from BOTH sides of the political spectre. Nowhere in England did bus workers make the ultimate sacrifice to such effect and the public owe them a mighty thanks. Had the bus workers of London Forest caved in and accepted those massive pay cuts and increase in hours, the services of East London would have remained under the operation of cowboys like Harry Blundred who Longeatongull worked for and a company set up by a former director of London buses who had his snout in the privatisation trough called Ensign Bus. As it was the aged and decrepit fleet these initial carpetbaggers operating the routes surrendered by the former London Transport subsidiary were soon dispensed with and the modern fleet and satisfactory service ensued within the network as we see it today.
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Post by stefano on Sept 17, 2010 15:58:26 GMT
In 1991 I was a Union Committe member within the TGWU and was highly active in the industrial struggle between members of that union and the London Forest Bus Company.... Good post but we were talking about trains and Chris Hargreaves ... oh and last years snowfall
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