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Post by dannyboy on May 28, 2011 18:10:53 GMT
Discusted..awful, effortless, spineless and pitiful. Worst performance in a such a big game for ages. To say im disapointed is a huge understatement.
I don't mind losing to a decent team but Stevenage were poor, real poor.
I expect Buckle to Bristol R is a done deal and I have to thank him for all he's done but maybe it is time for him to move on, especially if he can't motivate a team in a playoff final.
I don't want to, but I suspect were going to struggle next year now. I really hope not.
Gutted at the performance again, just gutted
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Post by frankfurt gull on May 28, 2011 18:19:28 GMT
I am waiting for swangulls match report, he should be in countesthorpe by 9 pm (CET) and I am sure he will be online within 5 minutes!! naaaats
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Post by lambethgull on May 28, 2011 19:12:04 GMT
Brief report from me, as I can't be doing with the puerile negativity on here and elsewhere.
We were outplayed today and never got going. Stevenage did a job on us, and managed to stifle our attack whilst taking advantage of our shortcomings at the back. Plenty of individual errors from us with Bevan skewing clearances, Branston looking unsure and some clumsy tackles and passes from others. Tomlin and Zebs persevered but nothing came off for them. Robinson (?) hit the bar but never really threatened, and Billy Kee huffed and puffed but offered nothing in the way of pace or quality. All this was juxtaposed against a superbly organised and well set up Stevenage who weren't pretty but were resolute in defence, strong in midfied and pacy up front. Mousinho took his goal beautifully.
It was strange outnumbering the opposition supporters in a playoff final, but the Stevenage fans were a credit to their club – bouncing and chanting for most of the game, especially after they took the lead. Our fans gave it a good go during the first 15 minutes of the second half when we had our best spell on the pitch, but were pretty subdued for the most part. I thought Old Trafford was a good venue, and it made a pleasant change from Wembley.
Disappointing not to end a fine season with a better performance, but reaching a playoff final and the fourth round of the FA Cup is a fine achievement. It's a shame many of our fans don't seem able to appreciate that.
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Post by dannyboy on May 28, 2011 19:24:51 GMT
I don't think its the fans being unappreciative, its more disappointment that we know we lost to a Stevenage team that wern't all that.
Agreed that we have had a good season though.
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Post by timp1 on May 28, 2011 20:45:52 GMT
got back to Torquay at 9pm. Have now drawn breath.... Again, the team failed to perform against a side that had really done their homework. The last time was against creepy Cr*wl*y, and there were several similarities in their styles. We were out-fought, out -thought and out-sung. First half was very poor, 2nd half a lot better. Lathrope, who I think has come on very well this season, was left for dead in the build-up to their goal. Bevin's kicking was awful, tho he had a safe pair of hands throughout. I thought that they by-passed our midfield completely in the first half, and their seemd to be no guile in our play. Billy Kee was totally under wraps, and their defence had done their homework on Robinson, Zebs and Tomlin. There were too many poor first touches throughout the team, which helped to breed an apparent lack of confidence. Stevenage are a very poor footballing side, but they did the business today without being particularly good. We have had 2 huge matches this season, and have been out thought on both of them. Hopefully, we can build on this for next season-as pointed out previously, we have most of the squad under contract. As for the next manager? If Bucks does go, as I think he must this week, I would like to see Paul Trollope or Danny Wilson in charge. Very disappointed tonight.
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Post by rjdgull on May 28, 2011 21:14:38 GMT
I will post a match report in the morning but didn't think there was anything between the two sides. They had a good spell in the mid to late first half and ourselves at the beginning of the second. One of those days where nothing quite came off but there were certainly chances to even things up. Unfortunately, laws of averages were that Stevenage would nick one off us eventually and we have to learn to win ugly if we are to progress!
Good, to finally be able to clap the players at the end of the match in appreciation of a very good season. The crowd was very appreciative of the players at the end, perhaps more so than on here.....
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Post by Swanny on May 28, 2011 21:51:47 GMT
It was good to experience Old Trafford today but the game itself won't live long in my memory. It was a bit really like the Ebbsfleet game at Wembley 3 years ago. You felt we had the ability to win the match against quite ordinary opposition, but we ended up falling short. Right now I am quite flat about the match, and I am rather embarrassed about the pathetic crowd figure. I thought the Gulls fans that did turn up played their part to try to lift the team and there was no doubt we outnumbered Stevenage fans. But the crowd of 11,000+ must be the worst ever crowd for a play-off final at football league level and probably by some distance. Can you imagine what other teams fans must think about that crowd figure? I still maintain that if the ticket arrangement were easier for fans, a lot more would have turned up.
There was a good buzz outside the stadium before the match and the vast majority of fans were Gulls. In fact there were curiously very few Stevenage fans. We took a few photos outside the stadium of the statues of Best, Law and Charlton and visited the club shop. There were 35 checkouts inside the club shop and it was the size of a superstore inside there. We walked around the stadium and there were some touching tributes to the Munich air disaster.
We went inside the stadium about 2pm. My thoughts of Old Trafford was that it was big but all the stands were quite uneven in size unlike Wembley. You could tell which stands had been extended over the years and they looked somewhat "bolted on", a bit like a house with an obvious extension. There were considerably more Gulls fans and you even count the number of Stevevage fans. Just before kick-off Gulls fans were in good voice and Stevenage numbers looked better, and sang an impressive chant complete with fans bouncing up and down - it looked and sounded like some warrior chant. At last there was some decent atmosphere for the match.
The players entered the arena to fire-works but that was when the best fireworks of the afternoon happened. I thought the game was drifting to a 0-0 with neither side looking capable of scoring. Stevenage were getting the clearer chances but our defence were coping ok. However their goal was impressively taken - their striker took the ball on a run and unleashed a shot from outside the penalty area that found the bottom corner of the net. This ofcourse changed the complexion of the match. Until then, Torquay at times played some decent one-touch passing moves but were not really penetrating. So 1-0 it finished at half-time and we needed to improve.
Torquay had to up their game for the second half and they came back on early that included some more exercises for their players. Torquay started the second half impressively and took the game to Stevenage. We did have some chances to equalise but we fluffed them all. Kee had the best through on goal with the keeper to beat, but he shot weakly at the keeper. At least Kee was now playing in his favoured forward role with Zebrowski on the right wing. But the clock kept ticking on worryingly. Robinson, whose finishing today and final ball was again pretty wasteful, did skim the bar with a dipping shot. However our 3 subs only came on in the later stages and made no real impact. The Oastler for Lathrope seemed too like-for-like for me and did not improve matters. Poor old Danny only had 5 minutes or so to save the match and he did look lively but it was asking too much of him. Who were our best players today? Zebrowski and Tomlin worked hard up front and Zebrowski could have done better with his finishing, likewise with Kee. I thought Lathrope got stuck in but O'Kane was sadly quiet. Nicholson was his usual reliable self.
I never have liked the idea of playing Kee on the right wing and either like to see hime played up front from the start or as an impact sub. I'm afriad most things did not work for Robinson so we gave very little on the wings. At least Zebrowski did some good work on the right wing in the second half. But with 10 minutes to go Torquay looked more unlikely to score and the game just fizzled out in the end. I remember saying the same against Ebbsfleet 3 years ago!
So a lovely occasion, but an embarrassing low crowd although those who did turn up made a decent atmosphere. The game itself - well disappointing a bit like Effsfleet and Colchester before that. We tried but we were not quite good enough to make that vital breakthrough. Still, a season to be proud of.
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Post by rjagull on May 28, 2011 22:01:08 GMT
Well..... a disappointing day to say the least. Got stuck in huge amounts of traffic on the way up there, took several wrong turnings and ended up running into the ground just at kick off. Only just recovered from the journey after 20 minutes, and infuriating mistakes and careless passes going all over the place... it seemed as though the Torquay players weren't prepared. Stevenage players were sharper, and were without a doubt the better side in the first half..
The goal was takenn very well on 41 minutes. Our defence was almost switched off, but it was a very good ball through and an excellent finish. However it was frustrating as it was pretty much their first clear-cut opportunity (if i'm not sounding too much like a commentator).
Half time came and went and I thought the mentality we had going into the second half was very good. We were much quicker to the ball, and we were controlling it more, as if the players had realised they should give themselves a chance. This was the period that i think we had to score in. The problem was every time the ball should have been played through, the final pass wasn't quite there.
I can go on about substitutions, tactical changes blah blah blah and yeah Buckle might not have made the best decisions, but in the end the players didn't turn up for the first half. Perhaps had we held on until half time we might have had a better chance of scoring in the second half.
Neither team was great but i think the 1st goal was the important one. We had some opportunities but the ball kept getting stuck in Robinson's feet, and all our crosses were being blocked.
stevenage's mentality wasnt great, score 1 then defend defend defend but hey it worked. Ref wasnt great (understatement of the century) but i'm not going to cry about that.
Disappointing end to the season, but we've had a good one. Maybe next year, eh?
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Post by Rob on May 28, 2011 22:55:42 GMT
It was not a story of poor tactics today. We have set up like that to good effect many a time with players on song. Being on song was the key ingredient missing.
Oastler's fresh legs for a tiring Lathrope so all others including his central midfield partner and Rowe-Turner could bomb on, I dont have a problem with either. Bit much to ask Lathrope to perform that role alone after all his sapping graft. Stevens earlier? Maybe. Oastler from the start? My preferred choice. But it's splitting hairs in the bigger picture of the game as it panned out.
Simply stated, players simply didn't perform - off days if you prefer - and I'm afraid no manager could have pulled a masterstroke with all the poor individual performances happening over the park. And like meerkat says, we are not blessed with established attacking prowess on the bench when we start with the four.
Very disappointing day in a good season.
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Post by jabbathgutecfc on May 28, 2011 23:31:19 GMT
Surprisingly, I'm quite disappointed for you for a number of reasons.
The loss of a derby that wouldn't have been as gut-wrenching as the gargoyles - and the fact that I have to grudgingly admit that you play decent football now and that City/Turks would probably have been a good game.
But as much as anything, the fact that you've condemned us to the purgatory of playing a Westley side again. I thought I'd seen the back of that sly, mendacious barsteward.
Anyway chin up - it took us both two goes to get promoted from the Conference - no reason why you can't do well next year. Buckle is not indispensable - personally I think he played the "poor little Torquay, we shouldn't have been here anyway" card a bit too much to his advantage. Even though we're dwarfed by some of the sides we play and certainly have a lower budget than most, you never hear Tis making that excuse ad infinitum.
I guess you'd better hope he doesn't nick a load of your players.
As far as the attendance thing goes - yes it is a little embarrassing, but the Northern venues, with the Champions League being at Wembley, and the "no matches on the pitch two weeks before" rule, didn't help. Given that both sides in the Conference match have relatively large fanbases, the attendance there was pretty low too.
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on May 28, 2011 23:32:46 GMT
My bloody computer appears to have packed-up by Rob, I agree entirely with your above post!
It was rubbish to watch us slump like that, but that's football. One other thing I would say is that I thought Stevenage were positive and never really pushed beyond what is reasonable in their quest to win. They were way better than when we played them earlier this season. I thought Charles bullied Branston and was my MOTM today - he had a stormer. Ref was fine today - no complaints there. I won't miss Kee being played on the wing but I think it ultimately made little difference.
Thanks also to the Grecian for their words of consolation. Much rather face Exeter in a Derby than having the Argyle animals at Plainmoor.
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Post by jmgull on May 28, 2011 23:58:56 GMT
Surprisingly, I'm quite disappointed for you for a number of reasons. The loss of a derby that wouldn't have been as gut-wrenching as the gargoyles - and the fact that I have to grudgingly admit that you play decent football now and that City/Turks would probably have been a good game. But as much as anything, the fact that you've condemned us to the purgatory of playing a Westley side again. I thought I'd seen the back of that sly, mendacious barsteward. Anyway chin up - it took us both two goes to get promoted from the Conference - no reason why you can't do well next year. Buckle is not indispensable - personally I think he played the "poor little Torquay, we shouldn't have been here anyway" card a bit too much to his advantage. Even though we're dwarfed by some of the sides we play and certainly have a lower budget than most, you never hear Tis making that excuse ad infinitum. I guess you'd better hope he doesn't nick a load of your players. As far as the attendance thing goes - yes it is a little embarrassing, but the Northern venues, with the Champions League being at Wembley, and the "no matches on the pitch two weeks before" rule, didn't help. Given that both sides in the Conference match have relatively large fanbases, the attendance there was pretty low too. Thanks for the kind words Jabba...... Frustrating day is a huge understatement.
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Post by chrish on May 29, 2011 7:08:14 GMT
It's a horribly disappointing end to the season. Tactics wanting? Don't know about that one, tactics and formations have been changed on many occasions to suit the occasion and the opposition. A lack of squad depth might've cost us, but having 2 or 3 game changers on the bench costs you a fair bit of cash we don't have. But it's hugely galling to see your team beaten by a side as limited at Stevenage.
Although the crowd was on the low side, to get almost double the amount of fans Stevenage brought was very good especially when Stevenage is 76 miles closer to Old Trafford than Torquay.
Here's to next season and the bloody Kassam stadium on Tuesday night.
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Post by rjdgull on May 29, 2011 7:59:14 GMT
So another 1-0 loss in a big match that wasn't our day with a number of openings carved out but with that final killer pass or shot never quite coming off. It was a slow start for both teams but Stevenage slowly gained the upper hand attacking down the flanks with a number of long balls down the channels particularly against Nicholson. One one occasion their winger got clear past him but he was able to make a recovery tackle in the area to regain possession. A good cross from this wing however was right on the money and a Stevenage header into the ground only just bounced over the bar. Another shot delivered from this quarter again just went over the bar. Mansell was also kept fairly busy on the other side. The goal when it came, was slightly soft with Lathrope bypassed in midfield allowing Mousinho to make a surging run to the right hand edge of the area and unleashing the shot that was ultimately the difference between the sides into the left hand corner of the goal. However, with four minutes remaining, Torquay responded well and after a Tomlin cross was turned behind for a corner. Branston was very unlucky not to score with his header only going just wide. So half time, with a half not too dissimilar to take against Plainmoor but with Stevenage able to take one of their few chances. The team came out early and were quicker off the blocks playing some good attacking football. Zebroski moved to the right wing and immediately we started to look a lot more threatening. Deadman seems to have it in for him and gave him a yellow card for trying to get behind the defender shepherding the ball and crossing it! Although contact was made with the defender, there was nothing malicious about it and the linesman with a much better view had merely given the goal kick! A strange decision indeed! However, we were firmly on top in the match now with Robinson having two very good chances! The first saw him get past his man to surge into the penalty area and just as he was in a position to shoot got the ball caught up in his legs and the chance was gone. The ball came out to him in space outside the area but his well taken shot only dipped enough to clip the top of the bar. There were other chances but the shots went wide and their keeper wasn't made to work to keep the ball out. As stated above, we seemed to fade towards to end and were fortunate not to concede again with a lot a space now being left at the back. The bench was threadbare with the loss of both Stanley and Murray probably the difference in quality that we were lacking. A good send off for the team but ultimately it was a disappointing day with possibly a difficult transitional closed season to come.
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Post by longeatongull on May 29, 2011 8:19:52 GMT
Not much to add to previous match reports.......such a great shame that the Team that were so solid at Shrewsbury last friday didnt "turn up" yesterday......one game too many??
Was a fantastic day meeting so many "old faces" and seeing the "Yellow army" on an amazing stage.
Finally have had another fantastic season travelling around with Teddgull and Wigston68gull----would just like to say was great being part of a great family day out with you all (plus Chris and his Aussie friends)---have a great summer Guys!!
Finally its no wonder they can get 70k plus in that stadium---seats are packed in tight!!---just about got my knees straightened again ;D ;D
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