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Post by chrish on Aug 21, 2011 11:04:19 GMT
To be fair Martin hasn`t seen Mark play in a competitive league fixture yet so it isn`t quite accurate to state both managers favour Robbo over Mark. I feel that Mark just edges it over Robbo but that is personal opinion, as far as Buckle goes with regards to Mark being selected well that had f**k all to do with footballing ability as we all know! As we all know? Just for the record, what exactly were the reasons? I have a pretty good memory but I can't seem to recall what happened between Ellis and Buckle apart he dropped him after some poor performances. But he sees Ellis, Robbo and Saah in training doesn't he? He and Paul Buckle are professional managers after being professional players. You and I are not, we're just amateurs in that respect. |
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Post by chelstongull on Aug 21, 2011 11:08:52 GMT
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Aug 21, 2011 11:13:52 GMT
To be fair Martin hasn`t seen Mark play in a competitive league fixture yet so it isn`t quite accurate to state both managers favour Robbo over Mark. I feel that Mark just edges it over Robbo but that is personal opinion, as far as Buckle goes with regards to Mark being selected well that had f**k all to do with footballing ability as we all know! As we all know? Just for the record, what exactly were the reasons? I have a pretty good memory but I can't seem to recall what happened between Ellis and Buckle apart he dropped him after some poor performances. Beat me to it Chris. A run of poor performances costing us goals which may have (or may not have, depending on your view) cost us points, culminating with the "schoolboy" comment from GB? |
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Post by aussie on Aug 21, 2011 11:32:15 GMT
As we all know? Just for the record, what exactly were the reasons? I have a pretty good memory but I can't seem to recall what happened between Ellis and Buckle apart he dropped him after some poor performances. Beat me to it Chris. A run of poor performances costing us goals which may have (or may not have, depending on your view) cost us points, culminating with the "schoolboy" comment from GB? You seem to conviently forget when Mark won man-of-the-match three times in a row and got dropped! As for the reasons, it had something to do with Buckle and his pecker and several of the players wives or relatives! As far as seeing players in training, well what can I say, why do players get match time when the are on trial, your theory would suggest that they only need to turn up for training for the manager to see what they play like! Now that I don`t get at all! |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Aug 21, 2011 11:44:02 GMT
Beat me to it Chris. A run of poor performances costing us goals which may have (or may not have, depending on your view) cost us points, culminating with the "schoolboy" comment from GB? You seem to conviently forget when Mark won man-of-the-match three times in a row and got dropped! As for the reasons, it had something to do with Buckle and his pecker and several of the players wives or relatives! Really? Nothing to do with his crap form in January then? Or GB moaning that it was like playing with a ****ing 12 year old? If you're going to judge it on MoM performances, how many times have you heard the MoM over the tannoy and thought "What ****ing match were they watching". I would be astounded if anyone would think he was MoM in January. Then when he does get another chance, he gets a red card for tripping after the player got past him. |
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Post by rjdgull on Aug 21, 2011 11:58:56 GMT
We had a problem a year ago with Charnock not getting a game and going but at least we still had Ellis in reserve. I think he would have done a job yesterday. The first goal couldn't have been defended against but the second was a free header from a corner and the third, another free header from a cross suggesting more of an aerial presence which both Branston and Ellis excelled at may be required.
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Post by aussie on Aug 21, 2011 12:06:46 GMT
You seem to conviently forget when Mark won man-of-the-match three times in a row and got dropped! As for the reasons, it had something to do with Buckle and his pecker and several of the players wives or relatives! Really? Nothing to do with his crap form in January then? Or GB moaning that it was like playing with a ****ing 12 year old? If you're going to judge it on MoM performances, how many times have you heard the MoM over the tannoy and thought "What ****ing match were they watching". I would be astounded if anyone would think he was MoM in January. Then when he does get another chance, he gets a red card for tripping after the player got past him. Your way too recent! Buckle started screwing Mark around before we even had Guy here, your way out of context! Are you saying that Saah is a better centreback than Mark Ellis? Because if you are you obviously know nothing about defending! Guy was only having a go at Mark because of his own mistakes and his lack of mobility, Branston gets found out when he hasn`t got someone moping up after him and plugging the holes he leaves open, you see Guy relies on his centreback partner to cover his clumsy, slow arse! This is the reason he used to get so many bookings and a reputation of having to move on! |
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Post by aussie on Aug 21, 2011 12:09:01 GMT
We had a problem a year ago with Charnock not getting a game and going but at least we still had Ellis in reserve. I think he would have done a job yesterday. The first goal couldn't have been defended against but the second was a free header from a corner and the third, another free header from a cross suggesting more of an aerial presence which both Branston and Ellis excelled at may be required. I get the impression that some folk just don`t like Mark Ellis, if he doesn`t start getting games he`s off, then we have two average to poor centrebacks with no back up, they`ll start moaning more then! |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Aug 21, 2011 12:40:47 GMT
Are you saying that Saah is a better centreback than Mark Ellis? Because if you are you obviously know nothing about defending! Guy was only having a go at Mark because of his own mistakes and his lack of mobility, Branston gets found out when he hasn`t got someone moping up after him and plugging the holes he leaves open, you see Guy relies on his centreback partner to cover his clumsy, slow arse! This is the reason he used to get so many bookings and a reputation of having to move on! Strange how he was quite happy playing alongside Robbo though. If your now getting into "slag off Branston" mode having already had a "slag off Zebroski" series and a "slag off Buckle" phase, what next? Have you had a "slag off Bevan" rant yet? For starters, did I say anywhere thet Saah was a better centre back then Ellis? Try reading the posts before you go into bat. What I said was "if you honestly think he's a better player than Robbo then you are kidding yourself. He loses concentration too often to be consistent. He may have more potential but he's now getting a bit too old to keep being given the tag "promising youngster" and overlooking basic errors" I dont see Saah's name there anywhere? Would I pick Ellis as a centreback ahead of Robbo? No way at this time. Until he learns to stop wandering out of position and stops ballwatching (lets face it, basic schoolboy errors) he is a liability. You could see that in games like Oxford, Hereford, Crawley to name a few. That is why after a long run in the team he was dropped and replaced by Robbo. And how many freekicks did Robbo concede yesterday for all his "shirt pulling"? Or the previous games this season? As for knowing nothing about defending, I am starting to get the impression that you know c**k all about football full stop... |
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Post by aussie on Aug 21, 2011 13:00:57 GMT
Are you saying that Saah is a better centreback than Mark Ellis? Because if you are you obviously know nothing about defending! Guy was only having a go at Mark because of his own mistakes and his lack of mobility, Branston gets found out when he hasn`t got someone moping up after him and plugging the holes he leaves open, you see Guy relies on his centreback partner to cover his clumsy, slow arse! This is the reason he used to get so many bookings and a reputation of having to move on! Strange how he was quite happy playing alongside Robbo though. If your now getting into "slag off Branston" mode having already had a "slag off Zebroski" series and a "slag off Buckle" phase, what next? Have you had a "slag off Bevan" rant yet? For starters, did I say anywhere thet Saah was a better centre back then Ellis? Try reading the posts before you go into bat. What I said was "if you honestly think he's a better player than Robbo then you are kidding yourself. He loses concentration too often to be consistent. He may have more potential but he's now getting a bit too old to keep being given the tag "promising youngster" and overlooking basic errors" I dont see Saah's name there anywhere? Would I pick Ellis as a centreback ahead of Robbo? No way at this time. Until he learns to stop wandering out of position and stops ballwatching (lets face it, basic schoolboy errors) he is a liability. You could see that in games like Oxford, Hereford, Crawley to name a few. That is why after a long run in the team he was dropped and replaced by Robbo. And how many freekicks did Robbo concede yesterday for all his "shirt pulling"? Or the previous games this season? As for knowing nothing about defending, I am starting to get the impression that you know c**k all about football full stop... What level did you play at? Have you got Refereeing badges? How can you say I don`t know c**k all about football? Also I`m not slagging off Branno just pointing out his weakness`s, and when have I slagged off Zeb? What are you on? As far as Robbo goes with his shirt pulling and attempted WWF wrestling style of play, it`s only a matter of time before we concede a penalty, how the Refs haven`t pulled him on it yet I don`t know! Possibly he is very good at it and chooses to do it when the Ref is on the blind side and thus gets away with it, if this is the case then fair play to him but the position I watch the game from it`s blatantly obvious he is committing a foul and sometimes it`s really cringeworthy! |
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Post by JamesB on Aug 21, 2011 13:59:00 GMT
I don't think we need to change the defence yet, although it will need sorting out in the future, as it did after 02-03. We are leaking goals but it's worth remembering that the reason we were poor against Crawley was because they were getting second ball every single time, or because they were allowed to run at our defence with the ball. Those to me both suggest that we couldn't compete in midfield, essentially leaving our centre backs as passengers. When Lathrope came on and we had 3 in the middle, I thought we limited them quite effectively. But as it's probably blasphemous to dare to criticise Mansell and to a lesser extent O'Kane, I doubt that'll be a popular view
In fact, Eunan had a dreadful first half in all areas. Every single pass he made failed to find his man. It does show how vital he is creatively, especially as without him in form we resorted to hoofing it forward. It does seem as if this is a mentality problem. Ling criticised the team for not sticking to the game plan on Radio Devon after the game, and it's also eerily similar to how we started hoofing it in our two biggest games last year - the FA Cup vs Crawley and the play-off final. Playing like this doesn't make sense against big centre backs who had a field day in all 3 of these games. When we actually played some passing football in the second half, we were arguably the better team - it was the 3rd Crawley goal that was crucial as if we hadn't conceded that, we still had a chance, even after playing so awfully for 45 minutes
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Aug 21, 2011 14:37:21 GMT
What level did you play at? Have you got Refereeing badges? How can you say I don`t know c**k all about football? Also I`m not slagging off Branno just pointing out his weakness`s, and when have I slagged off Zeb? What are you on? As far as Robbo goes with his shirt pulling and attempted WWF wrestling style of play, it`s only a matter of time before we concede a penalty, how the Refs haven`t pulled him on it yet I don`t know! Possibly he is very good at it and chooses to do it when the Ref is on the blind side and thus gets away with it, if this is the case then fair play to him but the position I watch the game from it`s blatantly obvious he is committing a foul and sometimes it`s really cringeworthy! 1. Probably the same as no doubt a lot of people on here. Started playing at school and then carried on for various local-league level teams on a Saturday or Sunday, moving from midfield to full back as the years advanced, realising that running around after a football was getting too knackering once the late 30s arrived and your knees and ankles are stiff for too long afterwards. 2. I did consider it but really didnt think it was for me (see knees, ankles etc) although i do know a couple of assessors that I can ask specific questions of. 3. Presumably under the same reasoning that you can say I know nothing about defending. 4. "Zeb states that he wanted to go to Rovers the second he heard Buckle had got the job, how is that a family reason?" "Read what Zeb said on the Rovers site! Family reasons my 4rse!" "You`ve completely missed my point, he lied, there was no need to lie to us!" Very complimentary to him 5. "Guy was only having a go at Mark because of his own mistakes and his lack of mobility, Branston gets found out when he hasn`t got someone moping up after him and plugging the holes he leaves open, you see Guy relies on his centreback partner to cover his clumsy, slow arse! This is the reason he used to get so many bookings and a reputation of having to move on!" Very complimentary to him as well 6. Like it or not, hands on opponents is very commonplace and most referees I have spoken to usually let it go if its 50/50 with both the attacker and defender doing it at the same. If Robbo was that guilty of doing it the referees would be pulling him up all the time, something they havnt done so far this season. |
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Post by aussie on Aug 21, 2011 16:12:54 GMT
I wasn`t having a go at Zeb just pointing that he didn`t need to lie about the move, why does everything ever said about ex-players have to be complimentary? Also how is that slagging him off? I just wanted to know why he felt he had to lie! As for Guy he was fantastic for us but at the same time he had his faults or weakness`s, I was just pointing them out to make a point about why he balled out Mark, if Guy had a good pass about him and a bit of pace he would never have been playing league 2 football, he would have been a Championship player!
Hands on opponents is one thing but practically tearing the shirt off someones back is quite another, we don`t like it when opposition players do it to our players and most people cry for a free kick. You can`t justify something purely because lots of people do it!
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Post by jj on Aug 21, 2011 18:10:56 GMT
Aussie, Van "up his own nose" is a wind-up merchant mate pure and simple, in my opinion.  But I think you know that!! |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Aug 21, 2011 19:09:50 GMT
Aussie, Van "up his own nose" is a wind-up merchant mate pure and simple, in my opinion. But I think you know that!! Who rattled your playpen? |
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