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Post by Dave on Mar 24, 2009 22:50:08 GMT
Well I took my note pad and pen, what am I thick? did I not think it would get dark. It would not have mattered anyway as I would have nothing much to write down.
My last report I said it was a draw that felt like a defeat, today it was a draw that deserved to be a defeat I'm afraid, as we were simply not good enough and so often second best.
So Mansell was injured? what ever but this was a game when not having Woods and Mansell at the back came back to haunt Buckle, we were so often all over the place at the back and failed to clear our lines when we needed too.
It did not start off to badly and we seemed to be on top and you felt a goal was coming, but to be fair it was more a case of goal mouth scrambles than really creating any cleat cut chances. The few we did get were so badly wasted.
Sills driving a shot hight and well over the bar, Wroe with a great chance that was there to be buried in the net, but also hit high over the bar. The problem was after the 20 Min's mark Grey's were looking better on the ball and looked liked they wanted it more than we did. They got in behind us with ease at times and could and should have scored from the their good build up play.
Nico made a big pigs ear in defense and ended up giving away a free kick, the ball whipped in and a good clean header flew into the net and it was coming and fully deserved I'm afraid.
Losing Sills did not help our second half, Green is not an out an out target man and sorry but Benyon was as poor as I have ever seem him, I can't think of one thing he did all night in the game and I would have rather seem him go off and give Christie a go, it could not have been any worse.
With Carlisle on the left he did have a good first half, got in some good balls, but was no where near as effective in the second half. Dsane I felt did very little in the game, but he did come up with a goal and that did earn us a point.
He picked the ball up and he looked in two minds what to do with it, the shot was not expected by their keeper thats for sure and Dsane hit it well and in went just inside the left hand post.
There really only looked one winner in the second half and that was not us, we failed to offer anything upfront and in the end just looked like our only chance of getting a winner was going to be from a set piece. Sadly Nico's balls into the box were very poor tonight and often failed to even reach our players.
Stevens came on and tried hard, got past his man a few times and got a few good balls in, but it was never going to be enough as so many of our players were not at the races.
Boo's at half time and at the end of the game and a singing we want our woodies back rang out load and clear at the final whistle. We won't be becoming back, but Bucks needs to get the defense sorted out better, Robertson needs to be in the middle of it or Ellis as Hodges was beaten to often and had to foul his man in the end more time than not.
You can understand why people may feel that tonight it was not £15 well spent, because it was not in any entertaining or really enjoyable to watch.
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Post by aussie on Mar 24, 2009 22:56:37 GMT
It were pants, big girls fluffy f**k**g pants! Sorry really am going to bed now!
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Post by ospelgull on Mar 24, 2009 22:59:38 GMT
But ospel it was Buckles first comments about the match. Agreed it was a sh*t atmopsphere but if he had mentioned it later in his interview after admitting the team were flat and never got any sustained pressure on the opposition in the second half, then I don't think I would have such an issue about it. Have to agree with you Pikey. It sounded as if he blamed the crowd fo the poor performence. Also good to read the match reports so fast, thank you very much Swangull, Capitalgull and Dave! |
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Post by ohtobeatplainmoor on Mar 24, 2009 23:06:33 GMT
Right - not the best game of football from us! It was by no means a disaster in terms of result and in the context of the spell of recent results it is another point towards our goal of the play-offs.
Credit to Grays - they were extremely well organised, scrapped very well and were excellent on the break. To get a winner with the only bit of qualty from us in the second half (other than the goal) would have been unfair to Grays especially as the freekick should not have been given.
I was surprised to see Ellis on the pitch kicking the ball at half time. Given that I saw him in the bar as the rest of the team were warming-up (and heard Mansell's name read-out as being on the bench) I didn't notice that there was the late switch.
I hear that Mansell has been suffering with a hamstring problem that they are being cautious with so probably best not to risk it.
Sills was ill - he gave it ago but couldn't carry-on. I thought he gave them a torrid time until he went-off, he really brings the players around him into play. Once he went-off we lost the apex of the team. Green and Benyon tried but we never had anyone to hold the ball when we cleared from the back.
As for Buckle's comments after the game on R Devon - I agree that the crowd level was very poor. But saying what was on his mind works both ways - the performance of his team was toothless, disjointed and not worth the effort to drive a 100 mile round-trip after a very stressful time at work to pay £15 so I wasn't particularly happy with my evening either.
Perhaps when we had the opportunity to add to the squad in January, an overweight player that had fallen-out with his previous team in Christie was not a great move.
One thing that I was confused about - he said that Bevan only had one save to make in the second half but their keeper pulled-off a few good saves. Until Nicholson's cracking free-kick I don't think that he had anything but a couple of routine collections (and also handled well throughout).
That said, I can understand his frustration with the twats who chanted something about Woods at the end - we are 3rd in the league and have a really good chance to reach the play-offs. Just because we played poorly tonight there is no need to turn against the team and manager like hat.
Finishing on the positive notes - another game unbeaten, Sills didn't have a hamstring repeat as I feared (hopefully just a short-term bug), we are another point towards the 84 that I believe will secure a play-off spot. Carlisle played well and I believe that if he stays fit then he will be a big player in our run-in.
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Post by stuartB on Mar 24, 2009 23:06:41 GMT
Don't fall into this trap of taking a glance at the league table and making assumptions. Grays are capable of playing prolonged possession football, passing the ball to feet and moving off the ball extremely well. They are fighting for their club's very life and thus their careers, Maybe a night for patience and waiting for the game to "stretch" in the later stages as indeed it did at Grays the other week.  Fifty years of watching football has told me NEVER to underestimate the difficulty of playing against a side fighting for it's life. There are NO easy games at this stage of the season and Grays are certainly no mugs. Sills is suffering from a sickness bug NOT injured/knackered/in need of a break...............he gave it his best shot for as long as his strength would allow. Half full: seven games unbeaten...............half empty: catching Burton less likely. Attendance appalling considering the "half full" factor, it doesn't seem to me as if the Torbay public are playing their part and the manager has commented for the first time on the lack of support from them tonight. according to another report it was hamstring not a bug. I still stand by my remark that Buckle plays him too much unnecessarily. give the guy a rest and bring the others on even if it is only for the last 10/15 mins |
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Post by Dave on Mar 24, 2009 23:22:00 GMT
I did not hear what Bucks said on the radio on the way home,I just put on some happy music  I do find it strange if he has started blaming the crowd, he has always sung the praises of fans in any reports I have heard before. I'm sure hearing fans singing we want woodies back may have wound him up a little and I'm also sure he may have had a few things shouted to him from those near the dugouts. I do think its not the time to start making remarks and having digs at fans, gates are poor and the home form not that good and not that entertaining, its an easy way to knock more of the gate, far better to look for the real reasons out on the pitch for the answers why fans failed to make much noise tonight. |
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Post by jmgull on Mar 24, 2009 23:23:48 GMT
All in all a dissapointing night in front of a strangely subdued crowd of just under 2,000 at Plainmoor, a poor figure on a pleasant'ish night but a few hundred better than some midweek home games this season......Grays bought 19.
I heard the managers interview on the way home.....who can seriously argue that he has a point re the atmosphere, the team are on a good run and are going for the title.
Don't give me this stuff about the team needing to bring the crowd to life with great football.......this is the BSP and tonight was always going to be a battle first and foremost, if the crowd transmit positivity to the team it can make a big difference, tonight the crowd became frustrated at not seeing an early goal, just as the team needs to keep going, so do the fans....this was a big, big game....our game in hand, the atmosphere was very dissapointing and didn't help, we should all be in this together, after all we are all desperate for promotion from this league, the moaning and whingeing i heard was pathetic but predictable.
Of course we weren't that good either to be fair, too many errors in posession, our final ball was poor and our forward play was the worst its been for quite a while, i still felt it was a game we were going to nick an undeserved winner in, Grays despite a bright 1st half offered nothing in the second half.
We started well and the crowd, to be fair, got behind the team for the 1st 10/15 mins.......we piled the pressure on and Grays couldn't even get out of their own half for a good while, crucially though, we didn't score, and as is always the case, Grays slowly got a foothold in the match and our play was never fluent or imposing enough to make them relinquish it.....a draw was a fair result, no doubt.
Grays' goal was very soft.....poor marking allowed their 5 ft 8 striker to head home from point blank range 10 mins or so before
half time.
We really didn't create anything much in the 1st half after a bright start, Sills was obviously struggling and came off looking as pale as Adams.......Benyon was hopeless all night, i'm afraid, completely off the pace, his control that has been so much better of late, deserted him when given a couple of openings......Buckle's substitutions have been good recently, however, i couldn't understand why Christie didn't replace him.
Carlisle and Dsane both had good games and look our best option down the wings at the moment.
The second half started in a positive fashion with Wroe slipping Green through on the edge of the area, a fine driven ball back in left Wroe, who had continued his run into the box, with a great chance 10 yards out with the keeper to beat.....agonisingly he side footed over.
A minute later, out of nothing we were level.....Dsane had swapped to the left wing, receiving the ball well, he cut inside and unleashed a tremendous drive from 25 yards +......the ball thumped into the bottom corner.....a terrific goal.
We huffed and puffed for the rest of the half but couldn't create many openings......our best chance fell to Todd with 5 minutes to go. Stevens got a yard on his full back and delivered a tremendous cross with pace.....all Todd had to do was direct the header on goal from point blank range and it would have been the winner, he got his body position all wrong and the glorious chance went begging.......what a story that would have been.
Positives
Green looked sharp.......he must start on saturday with Sills or Christie, back to the bench for Elliott im afraid.
Carlisle and Dsane both looked good again.
Todd is getting stronger each game.
We're still on a handy unbeaten run.
Negatives
We really needed 3 points tonight to keep the pressure up on Burton.....11 points, level games and the games are running out, you feel that to keep our outside chance of the title alive, a point only tonight, was a big blow.
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Post by Dave on Mar 24, 2009 23:42:22 GMT
jmgull its a two way steak I'm afraid, yes fans can lift the players, but they also need to do their part to lift the crowd, while I will never shout out abuse to our players, I did not feel like I wanted to sing for them.
Tonight I heard so much rubbish being shouted out and much was directed at Buckle, for me tonight he did not make the changes I felt were needed and ones that may have got the team livened up ans well as the fans.
It was a game that we should have made sure we got the three points from and it does make it look an even harder task to try and catch Burton. We are failing to defend against teams who are not doing very well in the league, two goals against Northwich, a team who has not scored at home since October and a goal given away tonight due to poor marking.
Its fine having the big threat in the others teams box for set plays, but that is all wasted if you fail to defend your own box correctly and that is something that is now not happening.
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Post by jmgull on Mar 25, 2009 0:09:53 GMT
jmgull its a two way steak I'm afraid, yes fans can lift the players, but they also need to do their part to lift the crowd, while I will never shout out abuse to our players, I did not feel like I wanted to sing for them. Tonight I heard so much rubbish being shouted out and much was directed at Buckle, for me tonight he did not make the changes I felt were needed and ones that may have got the team livened up ans well as the fans. Dave I wasn't necessarily moaning about the lack of singing, we're all used to that!....the pro Steve Woods singing at the end was ridiculous and laughable, funny that when he was in the side, i cant honestly remember the pop side ever singing about him, suprising really as he is now apparently a TUFC legend  (copyright TUFC.dotnet)......just another stick to beat buckle with. Its maybe just particulary bad where i sit (above the dug outs).....unless we are stuffing someone out of sight, the continual moaning and groaning is so tiresome. Loud, often ill-informed comments to buckle are the norm.... Why can't these people suffer in silence like the rest of us  |
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Post by Dave on Mar 25, 2009 0:22:41 GMT
What was different on the popside night Justin was the singers seemed to be in two different group's, one in the middle where they always are and a second one much further down towards the family stand.
The man who I stand next too(must find out his name ;D) and I could not believe what was bing shouted out tonight, I take the view if you can't shout something to encourage any player don't shout out anything. Dsane got plenty of stick on the popside and you wonder just what any player must think of it all.
I would expect you hear far more directed at Buckle in the mainstand than we do on the popside, but I do think that Plainmoor has changed so much in such a short time. Maybe not letting them sing songs that contain foul swear words has played a part, but it was still much better to not to have to hear any such songs at the game tonight.
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Post by kingpin on Mar 25, 2009 3:19:45 GMT
dave
U blamed nico for the free kick when it was actualy hodges who gave it away which they scored off and then u say about nicos crossing tonight was poor.there were some good balls tonight and some bad ones from everybody but the problem i see is that no one tonight wanted to attack the ball in the air,u cant expect the ball to be served on a plate everytime but as soon as sills went off we had no one to attack the ball,yes it was a bad game but its a point against a team that are really battling down near the bottom
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Post by merse on Mar 25, 2009 4:08:48 GMT
I wasn't necessarily moaning about the lack of singing, we're all used to that!....the pro Steve Woods singing at the end was ridiculous and laughable, funny that when he was in the side, i cant honestly remember the pop side ever singing about him, suprising really as he is now apparently a TUFC legend (copyright TUFC.dotnet)......just another stick to beat buckle with. You're lucky you couldn't hear the distracting and totally intrusive bellowing and bovinesque retard sitting just in front of the BBC Devon commentators then Justin! Ninety minutes of (apparently) drunken and downright embarrassing farmyard impersonations.................I even wondered if it might be Gordon Sparks at one time and, had I been there; would gladly have paid out for a half time hot dog and smothered it complete with the hottest of chili sauce for maximum effect; to shove right up his arsehole. What a prick and what a terrible advertisement for OUR club to be broadcast round the world.........................for a horrible moment I thought my missus had gone into labour already such was the incoherent din coming over the airwaves. You're right about the "other site" idiot faction on the Popside and their singing in support of "Fagend" that was Steve Woods. Calling him a legend shows just how far back their support for OUR club goes if they "lionise" a rather ordinary player who's CV has the partaking in two of the most shameful relegations in our history (in quick succession at that) as the outstanding features. Romford Kev always reckoned that "standing and pointing" were his main attributes..................perhaps he could be retained to do just that so that the stewards can identify that farmyard beast who totally ruined another really good BBC Devon commentary performance last night. - Hey, I really do reckon they have taken the criticism of their very worst performances to heart and "worked it out" and as a matter of interest, I bumped into some time summariser Jeremy Butler at my company's HQ last week (he works for them) how we must have fascinated the fellow inhabitants of the lift we were in with our conversation of "Life a la Plainmoor" and such enticing away trips to come such as Northwich and Mansfield..................Arse and Manyooooo fans eat your hearts out!  |
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Post by tufc01 on Mar 25, 2009 7:45:17 GMT
dave U blamed nico for the free kick when it was actualy hodges who gave it away which they scored off and [glow=yellow,2,300]then u say about nicos crossing tonight was poor.[/glow]there were some good balls tonight and some bad ones from everybody but the problem i see is that no one tonight wanted to attack the ball in the air,u cant expect the ball to be served on a plate everytime but as soon as sills went off we had no one to attack the ball,yes it was a bad game but its a point against a team that are really battling down near the bottom Not only do I agree with Dave, i would go as far as to say his delivery last night was woeful. He rarely cleared the first man from dead ball situations. He wasn't the only culprit but he was the worst. Man of the Match?? I think not. That should have gone to Wroe or Carlisle for their performance in the first 20 minutes. After that nobody deserved to be considered for MoM anyway. |
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Post by tufc01 on Mar 25, 2009 7:48:44 GMT
I wasn't necessarily moaning about the lack of singing, we're all used to that!....the pro Steve Woods singing at the end was ridiculous and laughable, funny that when he was in the side, i cant honestly remember the pop side ever singing about him, suprising really as he is now apparently a TUFC legend (copyright TUFC.dotnet)......just another stick to beat buckle with. You're right about the "other site" idiot faction on the Popside and their singing in support of "Fagend" that was Steve Woods. Calling him a legend shows just how far back their support for OUR club goes if they "lionise" a rather ordinary player who's CV has the partaking in two of the most shameful relegations in our history (in quick succession at that) as the outstanding features. Romford Kev always reckoned that "[glow=yellow,2,300]standing and pointing" were his main attributes..................[/glow]perhaps he could be retained to do just that so that the stewards can identify that farmyard beast who totally ruined another really good BBC Devon commentary performance last night. - Hey, I really do reckon they have taken the criticism of their very worst performances to heart and "worked it out" and as a matter of interest, I bumped into some time summariser Jeremy Butler at my company's HQ last week (he works for them) how we must have fascinated the fellow inhabitants of the lift we were in with our conversation of "Life a la Plainmoor" and such enticing away trips to come such [glow=yellow,2,300]as Northwich[/glow] and Mansfield..................Arse and Manyooooo fans eat your hearts out! Then there was the shouting at team mates and blaming them when he made a mistake. We played Northwich last Saturday. |
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Post by Dave on Mar 25, 2009 7:49:57 GMT
kingpin I thought it was Hodges myself at the time and merse will say something here , but I was talking to someone, I did see it happen, I asked two people who made the mistake and they both said Nico.
Nico did OK doing his defensive duties and not all his balls into the box and going to be perfect. He did have a short spell a while back,when I felt his delivery was not as good as we all know it can be,but for a while now it has been back to its best, only last night I felt it was just below his normal standard.
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