A Traveller Who Is A Joy To See

Just jesting about the Mill at Dartington mate, all the lead got nicked from the roof a few days ago, oh and by the way it`s CCTV. Closed Curcuit TeleVision, sorry but it`s one of the things I do is CCTV.

Jabba the gypsy!! lmao, nice one Graeme

Several branches of the Tully family farm at Waddeton - on the Galmpton to Stoke Gabriel road - and are known for their pedigree cattle. Gordon Tully is usually the farmer to whom the Herald Express goes for a quote in times of crisis. Not sure if this is Steve's dad or uncle.

Steve Tully wasn't the only farmer's son in that Exeter team which got promoted from the Conference, George Friend being of poultry-farming stock.

I think you are. I hope Jim returns to the forum. I'm a big fan of tolerance.

Clearly the Council have neglected their duties, which has led to an unfavourable outcome for traveller and resident alike.

And as for the Police telling people to be vigilant..............don't get me started on that.

Yes Rob like so many until its they who that need to show tolerance and how easy to make such a statement when you are not effected by the problem.

I would expect due to the job you do that you are not to badly off, I wonder if you owned a piece of land next to your home just how tolerant you would be.

You see you could have a gate chained and padlocked but it would make no difference, it seems trespass is not a criminal offense only a civil one. You would have to take the required legal action yourself to remove them from your land and failure to do so would result in action being taken against you by your local council for breaking planning regulations FACT


Taken from Torbay Councils website, but the same article is on all Council websites.


If the landowner fails to take the appropriate action to remove the Gypsies/Travellers, what will the Council do?

If the landowner is in breach of any planning or license requirements, then the Council will take proceedings against the landowner to require removal of the illegal encampment.

Tell me how would you feel if you had just been refused planning approval for the conservatory you wanted and then find on a piece of land very close to your house, travellers had set up a camp, had laid concrete over the site and even put up some buildings. I wonder how you would feel when you found out just how much value your home had lost due the having the camp close to your home.

I have spent much time last night and this morning on line and maybe you should do a bit of research yourself, I have read so many reports of crime, violence and intimidation, reports of rubbish and other issues caused by people who have set up illegal camps.

Lets not start pretending the travellers are just a group who have come here for a holiday, I checked how many legal sites there are around the UK and I was surprised how many there are, only they are not free and charges are made to use them.

As someone who works in law I would have thought you would have believed the rules of the land should apply to everyone and no one group should be allowed to just run roughshod over the law


Maybe not really if I think back to the time I did jury service for a week at Exeter crown court, a man so clearly guilty of a crime but a lawyer paid big money to try and get him off on some technicality, what ever happened in this country to people having to face up to what they have done wrong and taking the punishment for it.

What is wrong with decent hard working people who pay their taxes, live by the laws of the land having their rights? I'll give you a phone number if you want Rob of someone who's house is 20 feet away from the illegal camp here, try and tell them they just need to be tolerant.

There are times in life when tolerance needs to be shown, it might be when someone has fallen on hard times, or has suffering from losing someone they loved, but sorry I can't see how anyone can defend the actions of many of todays travellers.

You only need to look at the vehicles in the camp to know they are not some poor broke people in some desperate need of help, understanding and tolerance, they have no regard what so ever for the people who's life's they have invaded.


There is a real need to address this problem so people can just live their life's without these problems being forced onto them, sites need to be identified, but why should the taxpayer pick up the bill? I see no reason why the travellers can't buy land and go through the same channels as everyone else. Such land would need to be bought on the understanding it would be suitable and would get planning permission.



Its fine shouting about human rights, but all those who live around me have them as well, we are well aware of some things that have gone on in the last week here, what we don't want is some do gooder trying to imply we have no tolerance, as I said its so easy to make such a statement when its not on your doorstep.


PS Rob if you take up my offer to phone this person, tell them why you think that in the name of tolerance, she should not expect after working hard all week, to be able to sit in her garden in peace this hot and summer weekend, because she can't due to all the noise, tell her in the name of tolerance, she needs to except her children can't sleep in their own bedrooms due to all the noise and tell her why in the name of tolerance she should be happy she can't even open up the windows in this hot weather due to the noise.

I do agree Phil that is how it seems, I was very saddened last weekend as this person who is Carols very dear friend and is not very well off, had saved for a while for a special weekend away.

She went and it was ruined by the fear about her home, I'm not going to say she should have had fears, but please tell me anyone who would leave their house empty just a day after a travellers camp was set up behind your house.

The back of the field is someway from the road and can't really be seen, just a hedge between the field and the back gardens of the houses and can't be seem from the front of the houses.

Carol had to spend the weekend going up to the house to check it for her friend, who kept phoning to make sure everything was all right.

These are the sort things that happen and sorry but no one has yet to offer one good reason why their presence should be tolerated.