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Post by merse on Feb 28, 2010 18:00:14 GMT
what will get us relegated is playing players who are only just learning the game in key positions where we need experience. No one will have ever a problem with a young learning player coming on for the last twenty minutes in a game that is safely won and in the bag, but we are in a relegation dog fight and need players on the pitch who can do the job better than other players we have here.  What were the alternatives for left back available to the manager yesterday then? Camara ~ derided as too slow to catch a tortoise by many on here and needing time to get up to pace. Nicholson ~ already proved to be a liability when facing pacy wingers such as the Accie sub yesterday. Smith ~ been ill all week and obviously not fit enough for yesterday. He went with his selection, that's what he is employed to do and that's what he does...................I know you don't like me reading another site, but I usually do following converstion with those who have and expressed incredulity at it's crassness and ludicrously destructive element; but the latest is that Adam Smith becomes the latest player to "have left" after Jake Thomson (still here) Wayne Carlisle (still here) and Lord knows who else. It seems like this club can't be like any other where players will always show disappointment at being left out without being photographed sitting in the stand, eaves dropped on by nosey parkers and then mis-represented on forums. It's time people got back to just enjoying football for what it is without creating a Soap Opera out of it all and acting like Big Girls' Blouses. |
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Post by Dave on Feb 28, 2010 18:04:44 GMT
Silly man  I care not if you read .net or not, you were the one who posted on here you no longer wanted to read the views posted over. You really do not know me very well do you merse. |
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Post by aussie on Feb 28, 2010 18:09:16 GMT
That Adam Smith rumour is yet another " I can`t reveal my source" load of bollocks that is continually being circulated, it`s a form of bigging themselves up to look important or "in the know"! They know sweat f a, I know this for a fact but can`t reveal my source! |
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Post by merse on Feb 28, 2010 18:09:54 GMT
What bald? I was going to say misunderstood but I'll settle for Pantomime Villain ;D |
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Post by lambethgull on Feb 28, 2010 18:12:04 GMT
1 I think Justin has adequately answered your somewhat innocent viewpoint by underlining that skill and technique will get you nowhere in sport without huge commitment, massive determination and intense focus. 2 So to return to your question of what is the point of learning all those skills? It is of course to enable them to overcome the huge challenges they will face, but once again as Justin and I are telling you; skill and technique on their own will not suffice. Now thats a much nicer way to put things merse and far better than some of the terms and words you choose to use yesterday and therefore it makes keeping the debate going with you all the more possible 2 no disrespect intended here but I have been watching football as long as you have and longer than Justin, so sorry but I don't think I need telling anything by you or Justin as I'm very well aware that skill and technique on their own will not suffice. I watched football in the days it was a much more physical game than it is today and feel that something has been lost from it with so much of the physical aspect taken out of it. Time to do a merse here and ask who else is posting and supporting yours and Justin's argument and you are doing it with out ever seeing the player in question even kick a ball or saw the challenge he made on the winger. Sorry Dave, but I hardly think "minutes of football watched in one's lifetime" is a reliable indicator of one's knowledge or ability to form a view. Many of the gobby p****s on the Popside have been attending week-in/week-out for years, but are as ignorant now as they were when they first walked through the turnstyles. I also think the hammering Rowe-Turner has taken is unfair. So he wasn't brilliant at Cheltenham or against Accrington? Fair enough. But the lad's 20, has played in two tough fixtures, and the case for Nicholson, the injured Smith and unfit Camara is not exactly compelling. Give the lad some slack. |
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Post by Dave on Feb 28, 2010 18:35:41 GMT
Sorry Dave, but I hardly think "minutes of football watched in one's lifetime" is a reliable indicator of one's knowledge or ability to form a view. Many of the gobby p****s on the Popside have been attending week-in/week-out for years, but are as ignorant now as they were when they first walked through the turnstyles. While I can't disagree with what you are saying, I do not put myself in that group and like to think I look at things in a very well balanced way and therefore my views are worthwhile. Merse the picture of Jake Tompson was taken in pure INNOCENCE and not me just being a nosy parker the lad did look very dejected and I sure would not post it if I felt it would start some unfounded rumour. Mind you looking at O'Kane in this shot I wonder if he is now on the way out   |
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Post by miac on Feb 28, 2010 18:46:54 GMT
Camara is by some considerable way a better player than Rowe-Turner. He is miles better on the ball but on the downside is so unfit that he looks a liability when someone runs at him. At the moment I would say that Nicholson is a better option than either of them especially playing with Zebroski in front of him and I would be pefectly happy with the left side comprising those two players.
Accrington were no more than average in my opinion. Every side in this division looks beatable and having won yesterday it is vitally important that we follow up on Tuesday.
Just going back to that tackle - it happened right in front of me. I thought Rowe-Turner was walking for certain.
I am biased as they come and really will take a win under almost any circumstances, whether it be our centre forward punching the ball in the net or falling down to get a cheap penalty.
However I would draw the line at seeing an oponent stretchered off in agony with his leg broken.
Players are entitled to some sort of protection from the officials and the tackle by Rowe-Turner was way out of order.
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Post by keyberrygull on Feb 28, 2010 19:11:43 GMT
Not really sure i like what your inferring here Dave, but i won't rise to it. Not inferring anything Justin and your post has only highlighted that sport should be played within the rules and breaking them to try and get an advantage is not what should happen in sport. You have talked about what is required to win and that is playing too the strengths and weaknesses of your own players and those on the other team. Going in on a player and making him less effective by breaking a rule of the game is not the the way its should be done. So sorry your post has not proved anything other than a game should be played within the rules and not outside of them. If Paul Buckle started telling his players to go and take out all the danger men from the other team so they were unable to continue in the game or would no longer cause us any danger, then that will be the day I give up watching football at this level and will go back to watching 22 good honest lads playing on a local park because they enjoy playing football. I like the idea of taking the moral high ground here Dave but you are talking nonsense. Playing just inside the rules and breaking them to try and get an advantage is what happens in many sports including football and at every level. |
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Post by lambethgull on Feb 28, 2010 19:38:32 GMT
Sorry Dave, but I hardly think "minutes of football watched in one's lifetime" is a reliable indicator of one's knowledge or ability to form a view. Many of the gobby p****s on the Popside have been attending week-in/week-out for years, but are as ignorant now as they were when they first walked through the turnstyles. While I can't disagree with what you are saying, I do not put myself in that group and like to think I look at things in a very well balanced way and therefore my views are worthwhile. I certainly wouldn't put you in that group either. To be quite frank, there is no way I would waste my time trying to engage with those idiots. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2010 20:51:43 GMT
A poor performance, a very lucky win, but more importantly we did somehow manage to acquire three very valuable points and our quest for League 2 survival has received a much needed boost. A mild sunny day made my drive over to Torquay all the more pleasant. Some lovely views,particularly looking from Starcross across the water to Exmouth. Sun glinting off the sea at Teignmouth and as I crossed Shaldon bridge yet another feast for the eye as I checked my rear view mirror. A gorgeous blonde driving the Palm FM company Colt was right behind me. I did somehow make it to Torquay without driving over the cliff edge despite the rear view distraction. Parked, locked the car and noticed that I was in Stanley Road!..but not being particularly superstitious I decided the car could stay there as I was in a hurry to start my fortnightly late Saturday morning ritual of trying to find a Daily Express in St.Marychurch. A nice assistant at both Precinct News & St.Marychurch Post Office peered around a 10ft high pile of Daily Mails to one again tell me I hadn't a hope of finding an Express within a 10 mile radius. Just as I stopped to ponder my next move and to attach my 'Buckle Out' badge to my lapel I became conscious of the preponderance of red & white in the area. Yes, the Accrington Ultras were in town & I wasn't sure whether there were enough tearooms to cater for them all.  But they seemed a friendly bunch, and once inside Plainmoor gave great vocal backing to their team.  The major incidents of the game have been covered well in some first class match reports so I'll pretty much confine my contribution to some pics other than to say that the pitch isn't in the best of states & this obviously contributes to the game being more scrappy. Despite this I didn't think Nicky Rowe played too badly although the pitch restricted his ability to deliver the quality of pass we know he's capable of. The Scots made the news this week with their ABE (Anyone But England) World Cup T shirts.  After 30 minutes of Saturday's match I pictured in my mind Paul Buckle wearing an 'Anyone But Nicholson' T shirt having witnessed the latest two he's selected ahead of Nico (Slo-Mo & Rowe-Turner) I certainly wouldn't write anyone off after watchiing one appearance ( I remember only too well what opinion I would have given of Ian Rush's chances of making a go of top flight football after having seen him play once...for Chester at Plymouth Argyle many years ago). Macklin didn't sparkle but I'm willing to believe their must be more to his game than we witnessed in 45 minutes on Saturday. Plenty of talking points on the Popside, such as who do we throw our boiled sweets at now that Dave has switched to the Grandstand side. A few mentioned that they would not be redeeeming their £5 Cheltenham vouchers, but when they heard the figures being bandied about as to the rumoured amounts that Slo-Mo was being paid to break into a jog for us I think they had second thoughts as to whether they couldn't make better use of the money than the Club. Out of the Tearooms in time for Kick Off (below)  Accrington players keep well clear of the scary man with the fork (below)  Gilbert taunts the opposition with a chorus of "You'll never beat Rowe-Turner" (below)  Viewed from the Popside I have to say that Rowe-Turner's challenge did look bad. Had the same challenge taken place on Wayne Carlisle in front of the Pop Side I don't think the locals would have been too impressed only to see a yellow card being brandished. I love to see a decent meaty challenge as much as the next man & if you can make contact with the ball & make your presence felt at the same time then fair enough. As one who remembers the Tommy Smith,Norman Hunter, Ron Harris style of 'tackling' I have to say that Rowe-Turner's was reminiscent of the sort of challenge that I've seen result in very serious injury & players being stretchered off. On that basis I got the feeling that the Pop Side were half expecting to see a red card being held up & would have only been able to raise a half hearted protest against it. Luckily for young R-T the Ref (who had a good game) was lenient and it transpired that the opponent had survived with all limbs intact, however it was the sort of foul that if perpetrated by an 'away' player would surely result in a dismissal. An instantly forgetable match but a precious 3 points. Hopefully it will boost the lads confidence as they prepare for another tough game on Tuesday evening. |
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Post by maccawozzagod on Feb 28, 2010 21:01:06 GMT
the tea rooms were excellent - many thanks!!! they didn't like us singing though, many thanks to the staff at the Seabury hotel, Snooty Fox and Molloys bar for putting up with us for two days
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Post by Dave on Feb 28, 2010 21:13:47 GMT
Thanks Alpine, another classic post from you and close to being one of your best to date, really made me smile and that has not been too easy for me to do lately, well that is what merse told me  |
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Post by stuartB on Feb 28, 2010 22:21:57 GMT
possible that smith is suffering from the virus that is sweeping through Spurs at the moment with the youth team feeling the brunt of it. I'm sure he must be in contact with some of them or even pops up there for a training session
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Post by petergodfrey on Feb 28, 2010 23:55:01 GMT
As I was in London for the weekend, (where can you get a cheap and cheerful cabbie when you want one ?) I've only just caught up on the reports and grateful for them. I was well chuffed with the win, especially living 10 mins from Accie and having seen the stuffing they gave us there. I trust our guys with their reports and am convinced by them that Rowe should have been sent off. If he had and we had gone on to lose with ten men, what would those fans say who seem to support his tackle on some sort of efficiency grounds. I can't help thinking they would have called it 'irresponsible', much in the way that Danny Murphy's late dismissal for Fulham was in the week.
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Post by merse on Mar 1, 2010 4:09:01 GMT
I trust our guys with their reports and am convinced by them that Rowe should have been sent off. If he had and we had gone on to lose with ten men, what would those fans say who seem to support his tackle on some sort of efficiency grounds. Well this one would have said "*#^* me, he's been sent off  " but he wasn't so I didn't. Bloody 'ell Pete, can't we stop all this hand wringing and recognise the FACT that the referee (who is the only one who counts) judged it as a yellow card, enjoy the FACT that we won at last; and stop acting as if we should offer the points back?  |
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