FL2: Torquay v Accrington Stanley 27th Feb 2010

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Must confess the cask beer at the Dumpling is excellent. Perhaps we should have a pre-match meal there?

Stefano, I’m sorry that after looking forward to read the match thread you ended up feeling you had to make the remarks you did. I was so pleased with the quality of the match reports being made on the thread as apart from one match thread when another site had problems, our match threads on here have always been an excellent read.

I have taken the time to read the whole thread again and Enzo’s first post in my view was perfectly fine and simply expressed his views on comments made by jmgull. The post contained no insults or any attempt to rubbish anything that jmgull had posted.

It’s very clear where the problem then started on the thread and once again the need to throw insults around could not be resisted or the need to once again bring onto our matchday thread, attacks on fans on another forum, it’s a shame some people can’t stick to what they say and I’m sure I read on here that one poster was never going to read the other forum ever again, but it seems he is unable to do that.

Merse has so often told us on here how his own son is being taught to play football the Arsenal way, a game where skill, trickery and pace are used to beat the opposition and win games. Please tell me what is the point of young players learning such skills, if all they can expect out on a football pitch is to be taken out by some disgraceful challenge because that team feel it’s the only chance they may have to win the game if they can break the rules of the game and simply resort to tactics that run the real risk of even ending some young players career in the game.

Please tell me is that what we should be teaching these so called young devolving players, if the other player is getting past you with too much ease, then simply take him out of the game? So much for all we get told about how good and trusted we are at our club to help develop young loan players who come here. Surely they need to be taught how to stop the player beating them by improving their positional play etc and not how to resort to being no more than a thug.

I wonder if Justin wants his cricket team to win the game because they were the better team, maybe got all their tactics spot on, or would it be the case he would be happy to doctor the ball or the crease to stop the other team from being able to play the game in a fair and proper way. In my book a sport should contain sportsmanship and those learning the sport should get taught how to improve as players and make better use of what attributes they may have, not teach them how to cheat to win, just what sort of lessons are they? and they should have no place in any sport.

I bet merse would be the first to moan if young Anthony after putting so much work and practice into his game was constantly being taken out of games and suffering broken legs because some other player just were no where near as good as Anthony was and that was the only way to stop him and give the other team a better chance of winning. It seems to me some are prepared in life to forget such things as values and principles all in the name of just winning with no regard to the costs on others who were born gifted, or just worked so hard to improve their own game.

On the subject of rumours and posts like this one made by Mese.





I do not deal in rumours and I never post things on here I do know as 100% fact, or if I feel they are things that are really not our business as just mere fans, or if I feel posting such information on a public website will have a harmful effect on our club.

There will always be some who may know some things and then for what ever reason feel it’s their duty to share the information with other fans, maybe they do because it makes them feel important, or maybe they do have an agenda, or maybe they are just misguided fools who can’t see past the end of their noses and the real damage they can do to the one thing they claim they love and support.

I do know 100% accurately what has gone on at our club since Tuesday and leading up to yesterdays game, I’m more than satisfied that the best way forward for now for our club has been found and it will give us the best opportunity to fight and stay in this division, it may not be the long term answer and it may be seen as just putting a big sticking plaster on it for now, but now is all about everyone connected with Torquay United from the very top right down to the fans, sticking together, remaining UNITED and all playing their part to keep league two football at Plainmoor.

The way we will stay up is by putting points on the board and as fans our part is ONLY to turn up at games and support the club, what goes on behind the scenes we do not have any control of and we have to leave it to those charged to run our club to deal with any issues and sort then out.

Dave

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Interesting reading all the view points on the game I think worth mentioning as a very big plus point is not just that ellis and pickles played well together but that the interaction with the keeper was so much better than weve had of late.
Bev made the early save then when they broke through he did enough to put their foward off, and despite other posts if it had been on target it would of hit bev job done,
bev was very vocal as was ellis and branston and this equals communication and boy have we needed that,
The reason we didnt compitulate after conceeding was that bev does tyhe sweeper thing and allows ellis and branston to play further up the park, the fact that ellis and bev havent been playing (buckle after the match said bevs there on merit) is to the detriment of the team and to the finances of the club. All these other players we've got in that are NO better than the ones we already had.
I really didn't feel we looked shaky at the back, this in turn discouraged accrington from coming foward so much ,if a team senses your weak they pour foward.
i thought robbo did well ,left back, err well least said
Midfield another of my bugbears the passing is shit wroe and manse we play in yellow!!!!
great to see wayne back and what a difference he made he worked well with benyon, and benyon created lots of worry for them and panicked thier keeper into some woeful kicks into touch giving us the ball, barnes was ok but you cant help feeling sills alongside benyon might of been more productive zebs on the wing err no .
I think most of the players worked their socks off on a heavey pitch and as a team created the best chances even if accrington played the nicer looking football
Dag and red are an up and down team as long as bucks picks good players we could do okay .
But is bucks a front man or a manager or neither i heard more rumours going around yesterday including bucks is going (gone) ellis is going staying etc etc etc I want to know what is going on cause despite the front there appears to be a lot of shit going on behind the scenes and it dosent smell nice !!!!!
But damn it feels good to have won a game roll on tuesday come on you yellows!!!!

Could always issue Stefano with another yellow card for being daft, damn I`ve done it again, I`ve got to stop being so hypocritical!

Not really sure i like what your inferring here Dave, but i won't rise to it. Instead I'll try and tell you what i mean and the MASSIVE difference that there is in Cheating and doing ALL you can to win, without stepping outside the rules of the game.

Their is very little cheating in Cricket, after all you have two umpires in the middle to stop it happening anyway, the penalties involved are far greater than in football and besides in a game like Cricket, nobody wants the kind of stigma that is attached to someone who is labeled a cheat.......I have never felt the need to resort to it, or encourage it....because i was brought up properly in Sport.

Cricket is a far more psychological game than football and you gain advantages any way you possibly can, you work out an opponents weakness and play on it, with the hope that he makes a mistake and gets out.
I play against former Internationals, ex county and current minor county players week in week out in the Devon premier league, the standard is high....just one level off the pro game, if for example you are playing against a very good batsman, who is good enough to win the game for the other side on his own, you look to exploit his weakness, make him lose concentration, take him out of his comfort zone.
If the guy is a good front foot player you tell your bowlers not to bowl him half-volleys because that is his strength, you want him to have to have to play on his back foot and deal with the ball rising up towards his head/ chest area.........you might think that the player isn't the bravest so you tell your bowler to try and "stick one up him" otherwise known as warming up his rib cage sometimes within his earshot, you're trying to make him nervous and anxious and out of his comfort zone..........now Dave, you may think that is cheating and unethical but of course, it isn't, it's within the rules of the game and you hope that it dents his confidence and you soon get him out afterwards.
The batsman may get injured - if he does then of course its unfortunate (for him) but if his technique had been good enough in the first place, he has no problem coping with it, in future he either works on his technique or he fails at that level.

In Football, trying to win a battle with an opponent is mainly on a physical level but also too a psychological one too so if a player is getting on top of you.........as in the case of LRT v the sub winger yesterday, then you need to do something about it, you can't let the fresh speedy winger waltz past you every time because your job as a defender is to ultimately stop the bloke and do your job for the team.

He knew that the lad had the beating of him and was in his "comfort zone" so when the ball broke LRT saw the chance to test out his character a bit and went in hard on him..........it was a foul, he was a bit late and he got a deserved yellow card..........not a red card because from my viewpoint right above it in the grandstand and more importantly the referees view, right next to the incident.........LRT hadn't gone in with studs up to purposely injure the lad, he had gone to take the ball and the
man at the same time.

The winger, who was visibly shaken and a bit sore by the tackle was never a threat after that............perhaps he had it in his mind that he didn't fancy another challenge like that?

Whatever, both will learn from the incident perhaps, that to succeed in any pro sport, talent and ability is not enough on it's own, you won't get anywhere without the necessary character......and that you try to gain an advantage any way that you can, as long as it is within the rules and (just about) within the spirit of the game.