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Post by chrish on Jun 14, 2010 7:22:41 GMT
Can`t believe that Mexican Ref sent Tim Cahill off for pulling out of a tackle, shortly after that other tackles that weren`t pulled out of were n`t even given a yellow for! That Mexican Ref just wrecked our World Cup all because he feels centre stage belongs to him, the commentators for the game refered to his appauling over use of the red card. It looked almost as if the officials were delibrately hamming it up with some of their over enthusiastic, blatantly rehersed activities. Saying that though I think the Germans are going to be very hard for anyone beat! We won't know if the Germans are any good until they play someone half decent. |
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Post by loyalgull on Jun 14, 2010 9:08:48 GMT
Can`t believe that Mexican Ref sent Tim Cahill off for pulling out of a tackle, shortly after that other tackles that weren`t pulled out of were n`t even given a yellow for! That Mexican Ref just wrecked our World Cup all because he feels centre stage belongs to him, the commentators for the game refered to his appauling over use of the red card. It looked almost as if the officials were delibrately hamming it up with some of their over enthusiastic, blatantly rehersed activities. Saying that though I think the Germans are going to be very hard for anyone beat! i agree with that,and aussie as well,cahill was very unfortunate to be sent off in my opinion as well mate We won't know if the Germans are any good until they play someone half decent. |
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Post by Rags on Jun 14, 2010 9:16:28 GMT
Can`t believe that Mexican Ref sent Tim Cahill off for pulling out of a tackle, shortly after that other tackles that weren`t pulled out of were n`t even given a yellow for! That Mexican Ref just wrecked our World Cup all because he feels centre stage belongs to him, the commentators for the game refered to his appauling over use of the red card. It looked almost as if the officials were delibrately hamming it up with some of their over enthusiastic, blatantly rehersed activities. Saying that though I think the Germans are going to be very hard for anyone beat! I've read and heard a multitude of referrals to "malice" in Cahill's tackle - by the ITV commentators, various print pundits and assorted other bloggers and online commentators who are all racing to criticise the Mexican referee's decision - yet one look at Law 12 of FIFA's Laws of the Game shows that it states: "Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play." Serious foul play is a sending-off offence. We can debate whether Cahill's tackle was a lunge with excessive force or not (and my personal opinion is that it was, due to the direction of his lunge potentially endangering the safety of Schweinsteiger) but with one look at it, in real time obviously, from the angle he had I can clearly understand why Rodríguez thought that it was serious foul play. FIFA's referee/disciplinary committee might rule otherwise, with the benefit of their myriad replays from various angles, and we have all seen perpetrators of similar tackles going unpunished or receiving a yellow card, but that won't negate the validity of his decision to show a red card. Amongst the many positive things that increased television technology and the professionalism of Sky TV's football coverage has brought to benefit our viewing pleasure, the lessening of our understanding of why a referee makes a decision is one of the negative consequences. because we can see an incident five times in slow-motion and deduce what actually happened, viewers often sub-consciously think that the referee sees the same. And the commentators certainly do in their judgment of a referee's performance. Nothing will change my mind that the Rodríguez made the correct decision based on the information he had at the time of the offence, even if Graham Poll or similar is quoted as saying it wasn't a red card offence and even if FIFA over-rule the red card (which I doubt that they will due to a seemingly pathological desire to not publicly criticise their referees). That is because the referee only had a second to see the evidence that made his decision. He might even think that it was only a yellow-card offence now that he has undoubtedly seen the incident 10 or more times on television. But that's not what he based his decision on. Either we accept the referee's decision as being final or we introduce TV replays to the game, but when the spectators have a clearer view of an incident than the referee, it leads to all sort of problems with respecting authority and accepting decisions, thus undermining the principle of having a referee in the first place. I also think that Cahill should have been booked a few minutes earlier for a foul on the far touchline when he wasn't even looking at the ball as he barged a German defender over. Two wrongs don't make a right, but had he been booked for that foul, then booked for the foul on Schweinsteiger, then the result for Cahill would have been the same. |
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Post by merse on Jun 14, 2010 9:57:08 GMT
I've read and heard a multitude of referrals to "malice" in Cahill's tackle - by the ITV commentators, various print pundits and assorted other bloggers and online commentators who are all racing to criticise the Mexican referee's decision - yet one look at Law 12 of FIFA's Laws of the Game shows that it states:
"Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the
front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force
and endangering the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play."
Serious foul play is a sending-off offence.
Nothing will change my mind that Rodríguez made the correct decision based on the information he had at the time of the offence
I also think that Cahill should have been booked a few minutes earlier for a foul on the far touchline when he wasn't even looking at the ball as he barged a German defender over.  You've got it precisely correct in my opinion, Rags.......................a lot of people don't even know the Laws of The Game, and if Cahill does then what was he doing putting his fate on the line for the second occasion in such a such a short space of time? It looked to me he had become frustrated at this team's total inability to stay in the game and was indeed becoming a danger to opponent's safety. The referee dealt with it absolutely in line with the Laws of The Game as far as I'm concerned. This is 2010 not the last millennium and teams who play in that manner need to wise up or suffer the consequences. Kids where I observe training and coaching have it constantly drilled into them "don't dive in, a player on his arse is a player out of the game". Of course they will still dive in on occasions, and when I played it was quite admissible and accepted; but we are in the present day playing and coaching in the climate of the day and if players do dive in then they have to face the consequences. My son has recently developed a trait of failing to keep his body and hence his weight over the ball when tackling in what we used to call the "block tackle". It's one of the observations I've made whilst quietly watching him play and I think it has come about through the loud and increasing criticism he has been on the end of from parents of opponents who have been coming off second best to him, even though he hasn't often been penalised. Whilst I never shout and bawl at him from the sidelines as many others do, I do make a mental note to "de-brief" him on such things at a suitable later time...................maybe after the game, maybe the next day depending on how I perceive his perceptibility to such points. The less happy he is with the outcome of a game, the longer to leave it is my rule of thumb. Stick has to be balanced with carrot too, it's no use constantly pointing out the negative at that age, they need to be encouraged too.................it's only human nature. The tournament I was at yesterday was another example of parents putting too much pressure on games from the sidelines....................berating referees, loudly and demonstratively calling and gesticulating for throw in decisions. A never ending cacophony of differing and conflicting "advice" from the touchlines. No, no; no ~ let and encourage the kids to make their own decisions, allow for the fact that they will make plenty of wrong ones and keep bloody quiet when they do. So they don't win a tournament, so what? they learn more from a defeat than a victory anyway. Anthony's team have walked their league, and got to a cup final playing with good technique, making space and passing sides to death; finished eleven points clear at that with a goal difference of +31 to set against the next best of +7. Yet they are hopeless at present at the urgency and time restricted nature of six-a-side- tournament football ~ defending well, but falling hopelessly short of the need to get your shots (and plenty of them) in from the first whistle. A 10 minute game is by nature intimidating and not conducive to patience and composure. That's NOW, but I bet you in two years time the Under 9s will emulate the club's Under 11s and win that tournament! That's because they will have learned to make their own decisions and not be reliant on some loudmouthed bully ranting and deriding on the touchline. Those are the ways of the modern game and those are the sort of players who can then go out and make their own decisions correctly when the coach on the touchline is inaudible because of the "Vuvuzelas". Would I put Tim Cahill in that category based on yesterday's performance.........................no I wouldn't! |
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Post by Rob on Jun 14, 2010 21:20:13 GMT
I thought Cahill was pulling out of the tackle as well. Have had the day off today. And watched 3 depressingly poor games. I hope things warm up soon.
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Post by merse on Jun 14, 2010 23:32:13 GMT
For those still left with a sense of humour, and as an olive branch to Sun readers everywhere; take a look at the World Cup Album on The Jelly's Diary tonight 
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Post by loyalgull on Jun 17, 2010 19:02:10 GMT
hope the england fans wrap up warm for the algeria game,looks like everyone freezing to death at the night games,sadly the vuvezelas aint froze up yet though
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Post by chrish on Jun 17, 2010 20:40:15 GMT
hope the england fans wrap up warm for the algeria game,looks like everyone freezing to death at the night games,sadly the vuvezelas aint froze up yet though I thought they were less evident during tonights France - Mexico game. I thought the Mexican supporters were marvellous, especially Condorman. I do like the way they all shout "Puto" when the goalkeeper takes a goal kick. One to try away from home next season I think. A bit of variation on "You're shit.....aaahh". What a sorry looking bunch the French are. To think Raymond Domenech is going to be the longest serving French coach is nothing short of ridiculous. |
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Post by loyalgull on Jun 17, 2010 20:44:38 GMT
got to say enjoyed that result,mexico totally outplayed a side who to be honest didnt look interested nor deserved to be at the world cup.Henry as we all know got them there with his cheating antics,BFH waiting for them now,richly warranted
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Post by stuartB on Jun 17, 2010 20:57:41 GMT
hope the england fans wrap up warm for the algeria game,looks like everyone freezing to death at the night games,sadly the vuvezelas aint froze up yet though I thought they were less evident during tonights France - Mexico game. I thought the Mexican supporters were marvellous, especially Condorman. I do like the way they all shout "Puto" when the goalkeeper takes a goal kick. One to try away from home next season I think. A bit of variation on "You're shit.....aaahh". What a sorry looking bunch the French are. To think Raymond Domenech is going to be the longest serving French coach is nothing short of ridiculous. quick google indiates that PUTO is male prostitute or something offensive towards homosexuals |
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Post by petef on Jun 17, 2010 21:00:00 GMT
Well done Mexico.
They played with passion, an abundance of skill and self control - I actually found myself feeling a bit sorry for the French with a squad of such huge ability they looked a sorry sight come the end dis-harmony rules in this squad I reckon.
Mustn't count our chickens here our lot have a difficult task ahead of them tomorrow if they fail to apply themselves and get ruthless we could also be in trouble.
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Post by loyalgull on Jun 17, 2010 21:08:41 GMT
Well done Mexico. They played with passion, an abundance of skill and self control - I actually found myself feeling a bit sorry for the French with a squad of such huge ability they looked a sorry sight come the end dis-harmony rules in this squad I reckon. Mustn't count our chickens here our lot have a difficult task ahead of them tomorrow if they fail to apply themselves and get ruthless we could also be in trouble. totally agree petef we are more than capable of doing a france,i dont think we will,but nevertheless possible |
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Post by chrish on Jun 17, 2010 23:05:15 GMT
I thought they were less evident during tonights France - Mexico game. I thought the Mexican supporters were marvellous, especially Condorman. I do like the way they all shout "Puto" when the goalkeeper takes a goal kick. One to try away from home next season I think. A bit of variation on "You're shit.....aaahh". What a sorry looking bunch the French are. To think Raymond Domenech is going to be the longest serving French coach is nothing short of ridiculous. quick google indiates that PUTO is male prostitute or something offensive towards homosexuals Aye....but ssssshhhhhhh! It sounds good. A welcome change from the vuvuzela. We need to prepare ourselves for next season. It'll be Vuvuzelas instead of drums! |
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Post by capitalgull on Jun 17, 2010 23:26:12 GMT
More likely to be the feminine 'puta' which means b*tch or wh*re - it's one of the first words Beckham learned when he was playing for Real Madrid and was the cause of his first sending-off in Spain.
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Post by johannesburggull on Jun 18, 2010 8:40:37 GMT
I thought a match report from the Mexico v France game last night might interest a few.
With a pair of tickets for the game we had booked transport on the inter-city buses being run specifically for the games. Meeting the bus in Sandton proved easy, plenty of volunteers to give directions and we soon ended up in a group of 30 to 30 Mexicans and a smattering of South Africans. We were piled into minibuses and took to the road for the 3.5 hour journey to Polokwane. The radio was jammed to Radio 2000 for the commentary of the earlier games in the day - the Mexicans rooting for South Korea against Argentina, and then for Nigeria against Greece. We arrived at the ground at sunset, with some fantastic colours to the sky, and found our way into the ground easily through a series of well-staffed and organised security check-points. Inside, the Mexicans - many dressed in various guises and wonderful outfits - heavily out-numbered, out-sang, out-danced the pockets of French fans. My carrying of an Irish flag (re: Henry's handball) led to a series of photos with Mexican fans promising their team would 'crush Henry' and 'beat the French' to avenge the Irish. I was not the only one with an Irish flag - conversations with guys from County Clare and from Belfast ensued around the bars. The build up to the game was denoted by the constant singing, chanting and dancing of the Mexican fans.
As kick-off approached we made our way up into the heavens - the top tier behind the Mexican goal (first half), from which the view of the Mexican crowds was fantastic. The chanting was vocal and amusing; the vuvuzelas muted - used primarily by local football fans with whom a series of call-and-return 'conversations' were held sporadically throughout the game. Experience of cold days in the terraces back in the UK had helped with the clothing preparations - wrapped up in thermals and multiple layers the cold temperatures weren't too much of a problem. I was torn between wanting the Mexicans to win and for the game to finish as a 0-0 draw (the best result for Bafana), in the end shouting for the Mexicans.
The game itself was hugely entertaining, the first half finishing in what felt like a few moments. The second half saw the game come to life, Hernandez's break for the first goal being sublime and the second coming from a stone-wall penalty. The party, I'm sure, ran for hours after the game, but our bus was leaving soon after the final whistle so we made our way back, joined up with our new Mexican friends and began the long drive home - this time the only sound provided by the very drunken Mexican in the front passenger seat snoring the whole way home.
All in all, a great fixture; so much so, a few of us are now trying to get tickets for the Mexico v Uruguay game on Tuesday, simply to experience the Mexican fans attitudes again. That, hopefully, will compensate for me having to give away my ticket for Ghana v Germany game as I have to fly back to the UK for a job interview.
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