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Post by chrish on Apr 26, 2011 13:01:06 GMT
Chris - Beavis was floundering around his six yard box in the Wycombe game and appeared to be the only chance that we might concede. He appeared to carry that form into yesterday's game and let two in. What I cannot understand is that why people cannot be allowed to tell the truth ie we have blown it. Why do we have to be "proud" of that. We have done reasonably well but its going to be galling to miss out when we were in such a strong position. Gospel hole - read loyalgull's report of the game. We didn't turn up - full stop. Do you think the likes of Accrington and Stevenage have better players than us - they don't! Blown it? We have two games left. We haven't blown anything. Were we pre-season favourites to go up? No. Do we have the right as supporters to expect promotion considering the budget we are on? No. If the answer to both these questions above were "yes" and there were no more games left then yes, you could say that we've blown it. Your reaction is just a load of negative bollocks. Mark Ellis froze himself out with some very average performances. If something happens to Ellis or Robbo, he'll be the first choice to come in. Kee on the right wing? No. Kee on the right hand side of a 4-3-3. Maybe. Buckle said earlier in the season that he already had some experience of playing there. But what's the option? O'Kane? Nowhere near the form he was in. Zebroski? Some like him as a striker, others like him as a winger. Robinson? Perhaps but he likes to cut inside on his right foot. Do I think that Stevenage and Accrington are better sides than us? No, not really. Stevenage are big and strong, Accrington have a style of football that makes them very awkward opponents and have a home pitch which is a very big advantage for them. Both have decent managers. But then again I don't think much of Wycombe. I thought Crewe were a fantastic side but they've petered out. It's a strange division and only Chesterfield with the excellent Jack Lester have shown any real consistency. Bevan (not Beavon or Beavis you prat) has his limitations but he's also make countless saves that have translated into points. I'll say this again very slowly. We are a small 4th division team with small budget and a small squad. You go on like some Premiership "fan" who's just seen his club spunk millions on foreign mercenaries and they've just missed out on a Europa League spot. If you can't get your tiny mind around being "proud" of what the club has achieved this season then I think the nuances of lower league football are lost on you quite franky. "We didn't turn up"? Neither did Arsenal at the Reebok, Man Utd at Wembley or Bolton at Wembley. Do you know something? Sometimes things don't go for you, sometimes performances aren't the best. This is football FFS. I'm as bitterly disappointed about the Burton result as anyone but I'm not going to blame anyone. As a disappointed LoyalGull says "we don't like doing it easy do we?" |
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Post by davethegull on Apr 26, 2011 13:20:58 GMT
So apparently anyone who has a different perspective on the relative "success" of this season is either a tw@t, turd or now a prat. Wind your neck in Chris.
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Post by chrish on Apr 26, 2011 13:22:21 GMT
So apparently anyone who has a different perspective on the relative "success" of this season is either a tw@t, turd or now a prat. Wind your neck in Chris. Just my opinion David  |
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Post by noddingtons on Apr 26, 2011 13:35:05 GMT
Chris - Beavis was floundering around his six yard box in the Wycombe game and appeared to be the only chance that we might concede. He appeared to carry that form into yesterday's game and let two in. What I cannot understand is that why people cannot be allowed to tell the truth ie we have blown it. Why do we have to be "proud" of that. We have done reasonably well but its going to be galling to miss out when we were in such a strong position. Gospel hole - read loyalgull's report of the game. We didn't turn up - full stop. Do you think the likes of Accrington and Stevenage have better players than us - they don't! Blown it? We have two games left. We haven't blown anything. Were we pre-season favourites to go up? No. Do we have the right as supporters to expect promotion considering the budget we are on? No. If the answer to both these questions above were "yes" and there were no more games left then yes, you could say that we've blown it. Your reaction is just a load of negative bollocks. Mark Ellis froze himself out with some very average performances. If something happens to Ellis or Robbo, he'll be the first choice to come in. Kee on the right wing? No. Kee on the right hand side of a 4-3-3. Maybe. Buckle said earlier in the season that he already had some experience of playing there. But what's the option? O'Kane? Nowhere near the form he was in. Zebroski? Some like him as a striker, others like him as a winger. Robinson? Perhaps but he likes to cut inside on his right foot. Do I think that Stevenage and Accrington are better sides than us? No, not really. Stevenage are big and strong, Accrington have a style of football that makes them very awkward opponents and have a home pitch which is a very big advantage for them. Both have decent managersBut then again I don't think much of Wycombe. I thought Crewe were a fantastic side but they've petered out. It's a strange division and only Chesterfield with the excellent Jack Lester have shown any real consistency. Bevan (not Beavon or Beavis you prat) has his limitations but he's also make countless saves that have translated into points. I'll say this again very slowly. We are a small 4th division team with small budget and a small squad. You go on like some Premiership "fan" who's just seen his club spunk a millions on foreign mercenaries and they've just missed out on a Europa League spot. If you can't get your tiny mind around being "proud" of what the club has achieved this season then I think the nuances of lower league football are lost on you quite franky. "We didn't turn up"? Neither did Arsenal at the Reebok, Man Utd at Wembley or Bolton at Wembley. Do you know something? Sometimes things don't go for you, sometimes performances aren't the best. This is football FFS. I'm as bitterly disappointed about the Burton result as anyone but I'm not going to blame anyone. As a disappointed LoyalGull says "we don't like doing it easy do we?" Well put Chris...the Buckle bashers don't know what they're on about...always coming out with the same old drivel at the earliest opportunity! |
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Post by alunmeerkat on Apr 26, 2011 14:44:48 GMT
Hayes is just an idiot - he just peddles the party line and screams like a baby when someone has the temerity to speak the truth. Do Accrington have a bigger budget than us? - I doubt it somehow. Lets face it League 2 is full of piss poor teams. Wycombe are probably going up automatically. They are shite. Stevenage look for all the world like they might pip us to the play offs. They are awful.
So a decent effort from the team and management but when push came to shove we were found wanting both in terms of bottle and tactically from the bloke in charge.
Suggesting that we should thank the lord for eighth place when we have a blown a great position is just garbage.
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Post by rjdgull on Apr 26, 2011 15:00:29 GMT
[We can act as normal people you know, I could easily call you names but that would be childish and unnecessary. I'm with Ospel on this one, but like the weather, this thread is starting to get a bit heated so can you stick to your point of argument please gentlemen. Many Thanks Rob |
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Post by petef on Apr 26, 2011 15:20:51 GMT
Chris I reckon 90% of our support would be in agreement with your views and I find it difficult to comprehend that such opposing and extreme views surface on here as soon as the team hiccup but that's just the way of the beast and every football club in the country has a section who, as in life will never be happy and use all the insults known to man or beast to try and win their argument.
Its the "blame culture" thing somebody must be held responsible even when so many factors can influence a game including bad luck.
Pesonally I like to read differing and opposing views, the forum would soon become stale and monotonous without them and lets face it DTG does it on purpose to get a reaction. No person with all the facts laid in front of him could surely ever be that unreasonable could they?
Nothing at all wrong with an opposing view its just the manner in which its put that offends some though Ive learned my lesson - I refuse to bite it only adds fuel to the fire!
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Post by capitalgull on Apr 26, 2011 15:55:12 GMT
Seen every game Stevenage and Accrington have played this season then have we Larcombe?
Dare say they have half-wits on their forums claiming they should be going up because the rest of the league is rubbish.
Torquay United have, and always will be, a small club which signs low-cost players and produces inconsistent results. Suggest Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge or somewhere like that if you want constant success.
Just be realistic for once in your life!
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Post by alunmeerkat on Apr 26, 2011 16:03:31 GMT
CapitalGobShite - Realistically we have managed to "blow" a great position. Failed to score in two home games and then gifted the opposition two goals when we were in a winning position at Burton.
Thats realistic. I thank you.
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Post by capitalgull on Apr 26, 2011 16:06:30 GMT
And so have...
Port Vale
Rotherham
Oxford
Crewe
All bigger sides than our good selves....
Shit happens, get over it, and thanks for the new handle. CapitalGobShite probably just about sums me up. Might even apply to change my ID here.
Glad I never have to drop to your level though...
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Post by alunmeerkat on Apr 26, 2011 16:16:42 GMT
Yes of course there are bigger sides than us in the divison. I think all supporters are aware of that - we do after all have it rammed down out throats by Paul Buckle in every after match interview.
Surely I am entitled to my opinion - just to reiterate that being that small squad or not, we seem to have not made the most of the great position that we were in. The references to the likes of Stevenage and Accrington were merely to indicate that these teams are no great shakes and are in my opinion substantially worse teams than we are.
So under those circumstances it will be galling to miss out on the play offs.
So I don't accept that I should be thankful for finishing eigth or ninth - having said that with the loss of Stanley amd Murray Ithink we would have been right up against it in the play offs had we got there.
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Post by capitalgull on Apr 26, 2011 16:25:16 GMT
See that's more like it - the kind of message I have respect for, no name calling, just sensible thought out football talk (and no, I am not trying to sound sarcastic or condescending even if it comes across that way)
I agree, it will be galling to miss out on the play-offs if we do, but we have no God given right to be in there even though we play some of the nicest football in the league.
My point is that it goes with the territory - we are a small club, we have a small squad, we have a small budget (no one can argue those points) and we are inconsistent partially because of those reasons.
As Chris pointed out, both Stevenage and Accrington play the game differently to us - maybe their way is more effective and causes less heartbreaking results like Cheltenham (A), Northampton (A) and Burton (A) but they have as much right to be in the position they are because those are the points they have won by playing their own style of football.
Maybe we have 'blown it' more than them 'being there by right' but the table does not lie. They may be crap but they are slightly less crap in terms of points than us.
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Post by chrish on Apr 26, 2011 17:30:38 GMT
Hayes is just an idiot - he just peddles the party line and screams like a baby when someone has the temerity to speak the truth. Do Accrington have a bigger budget than us? - I doubt it somehow. Lets face it League 2 is full of piss poor teams. Wycombe are probably going up automatically. They are shite. Stevenage look for all the world like they might pip us to the play offs. They are awful. So a decent effort from the team and management but when push came to shove we were found wanting both in terms of bottle and tactically from the bloke in charge. Suggesting that we should thank the lord for eighth place when we have a blown a great position is just garbage. I don't know what Accrington's budget is. All I know is that they have the 3rd longest serving manager in English football who knows the area like the back of his hand. Accrington can pick up cast offs and loanees from the local area from Preston, Burnley, Blackburn, Liverpool, Bolton and so on. At the moment we just have an unoffical tie-in with QPR (about 220 miles away) and believe me making it worthwhile for a possible loanee or permanent signing to move down to devon will be much more expensive to us than it will be for Accrington or for a Macclesfield. But in your murky little world Buckle will blow it if we don't go up and if we do go up then it's blind luck or the fact that all the other teams are "piss-poor". I seem to remember the very same bollocks being wheeled out when we got promoted from the Conference. So what do you suggest the club does with Buckle after he fails to get us promoted this year? Should we sack him? If he's blown it, then surely he's failed hasn't he? I would say that apart from Chesterfield and Stockport (for differing reasons) there isn't another side in the division who've shown any consistancy this season. Rotherham looked the part, then had a slump, sacked the manager and have not looked like getting promoted since. Port Vale lost Mickey Adams and then had the Jim Gannon/Geoff Horsfield fiasco. Crewe can play the best football in the division but they had a massive slump after xmas. Stevenage are a robust side who've been quietly plodding along. As CapitalGobShite (love it as much as you do Andy) says, the league table doesn't lie no matter what opinion you might have about the teams. Arsenal and Chelsea might've taken all the plaudits earlier in the season but it's Man United who are best placed to win it. |
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Post by petef on Apr 26, 2011 18:16:13 GMT
On a slightly lighter note. This week I will be mostly supporting Northampton Town, Barnet and Macclesfield. and Next week I will be Mostly supporting Burton Chesterfield and Bury. Along with TUFC ofcourse.  |
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Post by longeatongull on Apr 26, 2011 19:32:35 GMT
Chris - Beavis was floundering around his six yard box in the Wycombe game and appeared to be the only chance that we might concede. He appeared to carry that form into yesterday's game and let two in. What I cannot understand is that why people cannot be allowed to tell the truth ie we have blown it. Why do we have to be "proud" of that. We have done reasonably well but its going to be galling to miss out when we were in such a strong position. Gospel hole - read loyalgull's report of the game. We didn't turn up - full stop. Do you think the likes of Accrington and Stevenage have better players than us - they don't! Lovely to see the usual comments from "the great Terry"---been so quiet whilst the Team has been playing well. I have highlighted your pathetic comments above. 1/Spell the goalkeepers name correctly 2/ You mention "being honest"---remember you were never going to Plainmoor again when you had a "little upset" but you did return!!!-----thats not being honest is it?? I know I dont post on here very much anymore but muppets like Larcombe and DTG only understand half the story. Football is like life ---you dont win all the time!!! COYY and carry on PB (I heard "some of our normal idiots" yesterday--- 2 nil up and singing PB's name---3-2 down and "**** off Buckle....amazing!!). |
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