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Post by chelstongull on Feb 26, 2012 9:36:39 GMT
Yes, we do need another back-up player or two, but the only thing you'll guarantee by ditching Atieno and Howe for a new striker, or Morris or Stevens for a new winger, in the middle of a promotion push, is that you'll knock their confidence even further, and disrupt the harmony of the squad. At the moment Atieno, Howe and even O'Kane have no one pressurising them for their slot. If any of them are having a poor run there is no one in the wings (or the bench, or the squad) to give them a run for their money. Additional players if used correctly will help the squad rather than hinder. As said previously a happy medium needs to be struck between Bucks loan policy and Lings reluctance (or is there - Play Off Final with Bucks) to dip his toe so the player would be availabe for the Play Off Final - we've got to get there first! Just an observation. |
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Post by gullone on Feb 26, 2012 11:48:19 GMT
Yes two defeats in a row and maybe three by this time next week after Crawley ! If that happens we will still be sixth in a great position with two home games to follow. Dont forget that great run has bought Ling time to get the loan signings right. Top post by James.
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Post by rjdgull on Feb 26, 2012 12:28:46 GMT
Yes two defeats in a row and maybe three by this time next week after Crawley ! If that happens we will still be sixth in a great position with two home games to follow. Dont forget that great run has bought Ling time to get the loan signings right. Top post by James.[/quote] You could always vote for him!  |
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Post by chelstongull on Feb 26, 2012 12:33:36 GMT
Yes two defeats in a row and maybe three by this time next week after Crawley ! If that happens we will still be sixth in a great position with two home games to follow. Dont forget that great run has bought Ling time to get the loan signings right. Top post by James.[/quote] You could always vote for him! Mmmmmm............... Opinion divided, which can only be good. |
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Post by JamesB on Feb 26, 2012 13:56:44 GMT
At the moment Atieno, Howe and even O'Kane have no one pressurising them for their slot. But that's a contradiction - Atieno and Howe are pressurising each other for the slot. We play with 1 striker and we have 2 strikers competing over that 1 spot. Ideally we'd have another one but only as a back-up - and actually we do have one in McPhee With the system we play, we don't necessarily need a goalscoring centre forward. Playing a system with 1 striker is massively different to playing with 2. A lot of players who work well in a partnership totally flop on their own, and vice versa Let's drop this whole old-fashioned notion that the striker has to be the one doing the scoring - it doesn't matter who scores, as long as we score. And this was the first time since the Oxford game that we haven't scored in a match. So I don't think there's a problem As for O'Kane, he's a case in his own right - he's our key player. Saying we've got no one to put pressure on him is like saying Barcelona have no one to put pressure on Messi |
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Post by chelstongull on Feb 26, 2012 15:16:06 GMT
But that's a contradiction - Atieno and Howe are pressurising each other for the slot. Whatever formation we play, be it 4-4-2, 5-4-1, 4-3-3,5-3-2 we still that person to put the the onion sack. How many goals have the formidable Atieno/Howe combo scored since New Year - if that's competition, well it ain't working. |
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Post by chelstongull on Feb 26, 2012 15:33:14 GMT
As for O'Kane, he's a case in his own right - he's our key player. Saying we've got no one to put pressure on him is like saying Barcelona have no one to put pressure on Messi We haven't got anyone to pressure him for his place. It doesn't matter (or it shouldn't) who you are, if your going through a bad patch stick the replacement on. Make him hungry to get his place back. |
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Post by register on Feb 26, 2012 15:57:40 GMT
My goodness, a bit of a contretemps going on here!  |
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Post by petef on Feb 26, 2012 16:17:50 GMT
I think we inadvertently found out that we could get results playing more defensively than we were ever used to under PB.
When we were going through our poor form/results patch we had to change our style of play to suit the personnel and it has worked exceptionally well though I do believe we have had plenty of luck on our side.
I cant honestly remember a truly dominant, easy, forgone conclusion win, every one, including all the lowly sides were a struggle where we had to shine defensively to gain a narrow win. Right now with the run finished and the crest of the wave we were all riding on in disbelief ebbing away we no longer have an alternative or dare I say it a plan "B" option.
We have plenty of points in reserve to make the play offs but believe me they will quickly dwindle away if we start to struggle for results. As much as I am an admirer of Danny Stevens who in there right would have thought he would have consistently been our main attacking threat.
With the right tweak or two we can fine tune a bit and easily make the play offs we just need to add something a bit different to the front line like some real pace out on the flanks where we are sadly lacking any meaningful threat and Morris for me has been a huge disappointment. You only have to look at our recent corner count to realise that this is an area we could improve on and that is my point squads should continually evolve and we seem to have stood still a little to long for my liking.
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Post by JamesB on Feb 26, 2012 16:18:11 GMT
Whatever formation we play, be it 4-4-2, 5-4-1, 4-3-3,5-3-2 we still that person to put the the onion sack. How many goals have the formidable Atieno/Howe combo scored since New Year - if that's competition, well it ain't working. It doesn't matter how many they've scored. There are 11 players out there on the pitch. The priority is to score a goal, regardless of who does it, and generally we have been scoring goals. Doesn't matter if it's Howe or Olejnik - a goal's a goal A striker is so much more than the man who puts the ball in the back of the net in the modern game, especially when playing with this formation |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 16:29:37 GMT
28th January 2012 'By all means go back to the drawing board & change to a system that would allow the forward/forwards to score more...but it would be a little foolhardy at the moment while our current methods are reaping such pleasing rewards. Of course it will only take one bad result followed by a quick glance at Howe or Atieno's goalscoring stats & there will be calls to change everything & to bring in a new forward.' torquayfansforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=9085&page=2An uncanny glimpse into the future from one of our posters |
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Post by lambrettagull on Feb 26, 2012 16:42:11 GMT
If you have an opinion on the observations you make when watching your team, why is it derided as being negative? I suppose thats the clique forums like these produce.
Anyway, I was at Gillingham yesterday and I observed what others have. Howe needs a kick up the arse. He comes into the game when he wants to and has no urgency/desire when in crucial positions. He missed that 1:1 because he knew he could. His name will still be on the team sheet at Crawley, he knows that. Lingo has been right to criticize him, but I doubt it will have any effect. The one thing I really like about our team at the moment, we had no one to carry. McPhee and Atieno are not up to league standard. They are the cheap option but try their socks off. But what I saw of Howe yesterday pissed me off. Please Mr Ling get rid of the dead wood and get some quality in. I`m not bothered where we finish as long as we are in the league. I also thought we played really well yesterday and just let ourselves down. The ref has since stated he did not think it was a penalty but went by his lino. An appeal is to be made it seems.
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Post by chelstongull on Feb 26, 2012 17:04:26 GMT
It doesn't matter how many they've scored. Modern day or in my time - you want your striker to put the goal in the net. They must surely be the premier supply of goals obviously assisted by others - Mansell, O'Kane, Mcphee etc |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2012 17:32:16 GMT
 Counter revolutionary forces lead by Woodwork Gull (Chelston) need to be opposed from wherever they crawl. ;D Personally I'd like to see re-education camps set up to deal with their insurgency, but compulsory attendance at a couple of Ling training sessions might well do the trick. The forces of revisonary Bucklism have not been totally killed off. Rather they lie dormant in small pockets of the Popside just waiting for the results that might breathe new life into them. It won't end there, they'll be calling for shirts to be numbered 1-11 next !! Our Glorious Leader has replaced the dark cloud of Bucklism that repositioned itself over Bristol with his bright new methods. We have seen how good the future can be if we adhere closely to Lingist principles. No surrender to the Bucklites.  |
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Post by Ditmar van Nostrilboy on Feb 26, 2012 18:22:06 GMT
I think we inadvertently found out that we could get results playing more defensively than we were ever used to under PB. When we were going through our poor form/results patch we had to change our style of play to suit the personnel and it has worked exceptionally well though I do believe we have had plenty of luck on our side. I cant honestly remember a truly dominant, easy, forgone conclusion win, every one, including all the lowly sides were a struggle where we had to shine defensively to gain a narrow win. Right now with the run finished and the crest of the wave we were all riding on in disbelief ebbing away we no longer have an alternative or dare I say it a plan "B" option. We have plenty of points in reserve to make the play offs but believe me they will quickly dwindle away if we start to struggle for results. As much as I am an admirer of Danny Stevens who in there right would have thought he would have consistently been our main attacking threat. With the right tweak or two we can fine tune a bit and easily make the play offs we just need to add something a bit different to the front line like some real pace out on the flanks where we are sadly lacking any meaningful threat and Morris for me has been a huge disappointment. You only have to look at our recent corner count to realise that this is an area we could improve on and that is my point squads should continually evolve and we seem to have stood still a little to long for my liking. Pretty much nailed on there Pete. I thought we dominated Wimbledon pretty well though The rest as you say have been a bit of a struggle to impose on the opposition, our good run notwithstanding. We have certainly rode our luck in a lot of those games and, but for a solid defence, would still probably be looking over our shoulders. Even Plymouth, probably our 2nd best performance of the season, was down to individual flashes of brilliance from Eunan and Danny and not because we were exerting concerted pressure on the opposition. Personally, I find the lack of pace in the team to be worrying. Its all well saying the goal threat comes from throughout the team but if the front man has the mobility and pace of a floating gin palace, it gives the opposing defence an easy time of it. Ask any defender (be it professional or local football) what unsettles them the most and the answer is invariably pace. It also has to be said that 4-1-4-1 is a very negative way of playing at home. It may grind out results at times (but not always) but it doesnt make an enjoyable spectacle for the viewer. We all know we need to try and increase the gates with casuals who then go on to be regulars. To do that requires offering them a product they enjoy that makes them want to keep coming back for more. It just isnt happening at the moment though. |
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