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Post by awayday on Sept 7, 2010 15:02:29 GMT
Awayday, At the moment they are being criticised by what appears to be the majority of fans on both forums. These are people that have witnessed their behaviour at many games and are getting pretty fed up with it. As you seem to know the fans in question it’d be interesting to know their views and whether they intend to act on this groundswell of opinion. I know them, but I cannot control them. In the past I have told them to stop singing certain chants and they have listened. As a good will gesture to other fellow fans I will have a chat with them at my next game (likely to be Shrews away) and see if we can't come to a compramise. I cannot guarantee I can stop the swearing, but I might be able to get them to think about certain chants before starting them. In return I just ask that people on the forums just give them a little bit more credit than they currently get. They are not animals, retards or ill educated and acknowledge that 90% of the time they are fully behind the team and pretty much create a positive atmosphere at all games. I am not asking you to think they are saints either, if you want to give them a collective name why not "The Rowdy Lot". In their defence, the games where I do get allowed to take my drum in, the banter has been more humorous and more fun, but I cannot take it every where. |
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Post by Enzo on Sept 7, 2010 17:10:59 GMT
Sorry. I forgot the mushrooms. So, on the back of a short, edited television piece there are fans who have called into question the fitness of the players despite the regular attention of the club's manager and numerous other coaching staff; and even suggested they are "carrying a bit of weight", whatever that means. When he changed his top in front of the away end, The Bevanator showed all that he was carrying a bit of weight in the form of well-defined back muscles. In 2010, professional footballers usually have their fitness levels checked on a weekly basis, making any poor nutrition very difficult to continue. I very much doubt that Torquay United are any different in this. Personally, I don't believe that our players are unfit in any way, shape or form that is a result of poor eating habits, and that includes pizzas and cooked breakfasts; all of which have a valuable part to play in any sports professional/athletes weekly diet. Even Annie's doughnuts (Sky Sports Football Weekly show last Friday) have a place after a busy Monday's training as there is plenty of time to burn them off before the next game. Sports nutritionists are usually keen to point out that fat is a very important part of your diet, its the excess of fat that causes the problems. As I am constantly being reminded...  "Carrying a bit of weight" was meant in the context of a player being slightly overwieght. Jackie Gallagher and Stevie Phillips are examples of TUFC players who I consider to have carried a "bit of weight" - Incidently two of my favourite ever TUFC players - although I'm not sure if I am looking back with rose tinted specs. I agree, in this day and age one would think that attention to nutrition is far more part of the game than in the 80s when my two examples strutted their stuff. The observation was made was made prior to the BBC piece by a neutral who attended the Southend match - I didn't get him to elaborate, but I don't think he was refering to Scott Bevan. The phrase was mentioned as an aside in my match report and picked up on by another poster who mentioned the breakfast. I don't think the fitness of the players was questioned in light of the TV footage - the diet of the players was questioned, probably slightly tongue in cheek. The only player who I would question the fitness of is, completely understandably, Wayne Carlisle - He struggled badly on Saturday..........however, I have not seen much of Kee and I suspect he was one of the players that my friend was refering to. These bloody neutrals - first Benyon is disinterested and now TUFC players are carrying a bit of weight! Mike Bateson never mentioned these troubles when he asked us to bringalongafriend! |
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Post by dantufc on Sept 7, 2010 17:14:58 GMT
You're right about the drum, it does seem to focus the chanting on the more supportive songs.
No one objects to the their support, or even some of the swearing. We just don't want the childish, crude, embarrassing stuff. My anger at the situation is that all Torquay fans end up being guilty by association and that's just not fair. I want our support to be something we can be proud of again.
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Post by lambethgull on Sept 7, 2010 18:00:56 GMT
Since when has attending X amount of games entitled anyone to behave like an uncouth, ignorant imbecile?
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Post by lambethgull on Sept 7, 2010 18:14:54 GMT
One or two players look a little 'chunky' to me, but maybe it's just their build. It should be said that I haven't seen anything in the games I've seen so far this season that suggests they are unfit. And if anything was proved at Southend it was that the squad is very fit indeed.
The case of the 'Yet-to-be-Eaten Breakfast' remains unsolved however...
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Post by Dave on Sept 7, 2010 21:38:29 GMT
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Post by Jon on Sept 7, 2010 22:45:37 GMT
...and the grilled Tomato  So says the largest wholesale supplier of fresh tomatoes to the catering trade in the South West.  How's your hand?  |
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Post by tqyfan1 on Sept 7, 2010 23:04:49 GMT
hi all, long time reader of the forum, first time poster. i thought i might aswell give my report on the match even though it was a few games ago. as from earlier posts we all agree that southend started alot better and played better through most of the game but all in all a draw wouldve been a fair result. its been along time since saturday so i cant really remember everything about the game so i can only give a few players ratings from what i saw and i only rli rate the players who stick out to have played good or bad.
bevan undone by 2 wonderful goals which noone couldve saved, and he done everything else well for the rest of the match
branston defended very well and won alot of headers, good to see him back to his old ways even though he lost it a little towards the end of the match
mansell in my oppinion at fault for the second goal, guy seems to have the interception covered and mansell mistimes his tackle and also stops guy from winning it aswell
carlisle was quite poor he just didnt seem to have enough energy, couldnt chase after the ball even when it wasnt too far away from him, shouldve been brought off at half time
stevens, another shocking performance how he is still in the team is beyond me buckle should drop him and play him in the reserves untill he learns how to take on defenders and how to make a 2 yard pass. nothing personnal with stevens, when he was in the conference i really liked him, just a shame he hasnt progressed well.
benyon a bit tired aswell, not up to his usual class performances he puts in
zebroski, never really liked zebs, just dont know why, i dont care though if he keeps on putting in goals but played an ok game
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billy kee, not the fastest or fittest in the team, so should not be doing all the donkey work with the ball, he should be given the ball alot more at his feet, not in the air for him to chase. because when he gets the ball in the right areas i think he is a very good striker.
a side note on the "rowdy" fans as they are known on here. they are usually a fine bunch of lads although they can swear a bit. they usually are the ones who make the most noise and atmosphere in the ground, wihtout them it would be alot quieter and the torquay away matches wouldnt be as good without them.
however i myself dont agree with the amount of swearing that the do during the chants, a little bit of swearing is ok but not really to the degree that they use, also the stuff with john solaco was completely out of order, as said by an earlier poster his punishment did not equal his "crime". although i started chanting wheres kamara to him.
right sorry for making you read all of that ( i hope) i look forward to your views and criticisms
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Post by kipper on Sept 7, 2010 23:14:58 GMT
bevan undone by 2 wonderful goals which NOONE couldve saved, and he done everything else well for the rest of the match This bloke is at it again...................sign him up :-) |
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Post by tqyfan1 on Sept 7, 2010 23:20:42 GMT
bevan undone by 2 wonderful goals which NOONE couldve saved, and he done everything else well for the rest of the match This bloke is at it again...................sign him up :-) this reminds me when i was leaving the bournemouth game i got a few bevan chants going. such as englands number 1, and fabio sign him up and some other fans joined in which is unusual for me. in my oppinon noone couldve saved the first goal, but maybe the second goal not sure if he got a finger to it or not |
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Post by jmgull on Sept 8, 2010 7:47:17 GMT
...and the grilled Tomato So says the largest wholesale supplier of fresh tomatoes to the catering trade in the South West. How's your hand? Not for much longer Jon........been (happily) gazumped by the big boys - although I'm still here for the moment. The thumb is on the mend at last thanks, its not needed now anyway as the cricket season is over now, locally. |
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Post by awayday on Sept 8, 2010 8:47:31 GMT
Since when has attending X amount of games entitled anyone to behave like an uncouth, ignorant imbecile? I would have read my posts properly first before posting. I didn't say they had the right to act like they do, I said they shouldn't be regarded as retards, animals or idiots. They are FANS and most of the time not an embarrassment to the club. BTW just to add my penny's worth, you calling them "uncouth, ignorant imbecile" has just put you at the same level as them calling JK a C***. Different levels of attack I agree, but still name calling which is pretty much what this all boils down to. |
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Post by lambethgull on Sept 8, 2010 9:59:03 GMT
Since when has attending X amount of games entitled anyone to behave like an uncouth, ignorant imbecile? I would have read my posts properly first before posting. I didn't say they had the right to act like they do, I said they shouldn't be regarded as retards, animals or idiots. They are FANS and most of the time not an embarrassment to the club. BTW just to add my penny's worth, you calling them "uncouth, ignorant imbecile" has just put you at the same level as them calling JK a C***. Different levels of attack I agree, but still name calling which is pretty much what this all boils down to. Except I didn't call them that though did I? I asked why certain people seemed to believe attending X amount of games enitled people to behave LIKE an uncouth, ignorant imbecile. What it really boils down to is idiotic 'behaviour'...nobody has claimed these individuals don't attend games, so if you aren't using this to excuse or mitigate their behaviour why bring it up? |
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Post by awayday on Sept 8, 2010 11:58:21 GMT
Lambeth I have not once said the number of games entitles them to behave as they do. The point I was making is they are FANS whether you guys like it or not.
I get the feeling no matter what I say people are going to twist what I say and try and make me look stupid. If that is what this forum is all about you are welcome to it, but it's not for me to be honest so I will bid my fair wells.
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Post by dantufc on Sept 8, 2010 12:14:26 GMT
Away, I don’t believe anyone is trying to twist your words. The issue is that their loyalty, whilst admirable, is not an excuse for their behaviour.
You’ve repeatedly said that we shouldn’t forget that they are fans and that there is a positive side to their presence. Nobody has questioned this, all we are saying is that this is not relevant, nor an excuse mitigating the less desirable things they do.
We know they are fans, we know they are supportive at games and I don’t think anyone would want them to stop attending. All people want is that they curb their abusive, crude and embarrassing side.
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