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Post by aussie on Sept 8, 2010 16:53:10 GMT
Lambeth I have not once said the number of games entitles them to behave as they do. The point I was making is they are FANS whether you guys like it or not. I get the feeling no matter what I say people are going to twist what I say and try and make me look stupid. If that is what this forum is all about you are welcome to it, but it's not for me to be honest so I will bid my fair wells. Get used to it, or at least get used to being made to explain yourself in great detail because some will pull your arguements to pieces to get at the bottom line of what you mean, either that or think through what your going to say and re-read what you have written before posting it! |
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Post by merse on Sept 8, 2010 18:12:51 GMT
I get the feeling no matter what I say people are going to twist what I say and try and make me look stupid. If that is what this forum is all about you are welcome to it, but it's not for me to be honest so I will bid my fair wells.  |
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2010 18:19:42 GMT
Lambeth I have not once said the number of games entitles them to behave as they do. The point I was making is they are FANS whether you guys like it or not. I get the feeling no matter what I say people are going to twist what I say and try and make me look stupid. If that is what this forum is all about you are welcome to it, but it's not for me to be honest so I will bid my fair wells. Awayday I have taken the time to read this thread again and can’t agree with you that anyone has twisted what you have posted or tired to make you look stupid. You were perfectly correct to make your views known concerning some of the words that should not have been used to describe the fans in question and well done for doing so. I don’t think anyone has questioned their loyalty or support for our club and for that alone they should be applauded but that fact can’t be used to form a basis of any defence for their behaviour. On first opening game of this season in my match report I made reference to their excellent singing that was free of the sorts of chants that are upsetting so many other fans now and while having you there with your drum played a big part in that, are they unable to sing those good supporting chants unless they can hear the beat of a drum? All the points you have raised and used as some form of defence have been answered by others in the correct way any debate should take place and I can’t see why you can have any complaints and why you felt the need to have a dig at this forum. You agree their behaviour is unacceptable and not the sort of things you want your children to have to listen to when they do start going to games and at the end of the day it does not matter how many games they go to, the bottom line is they do end up making all TUFC fans look bad as most other fans will tar all TUFC fans with the same brush. I do not know anyone of them personally and I’m sure at heart they are a good bunch of lads who when they are at their best singing chants we are all happy to join in with can and do play such a big part in helping to generate a great atmosphere We all now have a great club we do feel very proud of and we should not be doing anything to tarnish it and such behaviour and even more so at away games earn our club a bad name and I’m sure they don’t want to do that as they are showing their support for the club and maybe all they need is to have this expanded to them. I don’t go to away games these days but there was a time I went to everyone I could get too and I was more their age then and we sure never got up to some of the things they get up to at away games and just sang our hearts out to try and encourage the team on to victory. Maybe you can help me to understand why things have changed from then to now and how these chants help in anyway our players out on the pitch, surly the main reason we sing is to create a great atmosphere for our players? If I have got that wrong and nowadays its about what I have read happened at the Southend game, then it may well be time for me to finally admit that football has sunk to a level I no longer want to be a part of. |
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Post by lambethgull on Sept 8, 2010 19:42:03 GMT
Maybe you can help me to understand why things have changed from then to now and how these chants help in anyway our players out on the pitch, surly the main reason we sing is to create a great atmosphere for our players? If I have got that wrong and nowadays its about what I have read happened at the Southend game, then it may well be time for me to finally admit that football has sunk to a level I no longer want to be a part of.It's your cash Dave, and if you feel miserable or uncomfortable during games to the extent that you wonder if it's worth handing over your money at the turnstyle, then that's how it is. However, whilst I would agree that there probably is more gratuitous use of swear words from many (as well as silly chanting from a minority) during games these days, are you really sure football has sunk to such depraved depths? Don't you remember the unsafe grounds, hooliganism, open terraces, unchallenged racism of yesteryear? Okay, not all of these have been issues at Plainmoor over the years, but some of them have. Thankfully these things have mostly been consigned to history. No-one likes the stupidity in evidence at Southend. But at the end of the day all I had to do to escape the worst of it was move a few rows away. I'm not sure the idiocy of a couple dozen people (out of almost 400) has made things unbearable. Not for me anyway. |
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Post by Dave on Sept 8, 2010 19:46:18 GMT
are you really sure football has sunk to such depraved depths? No not really Lambie, just me being a bit of a drama queen again  |
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Post by lambethgull on Sept 8, 2010 19:49:50 GMT
No not really Lambie, just me being a bit of a drama queen again All of us are one of those from time to time ;D |
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Post by ali on Sept 8, 2010 20:02:55 GMT
I do not know anyone of them personally and I’m sure at heart they are a good bunch of lads who when they are at their best singing chants we are all happy to join in with can and do play such a big part in helping to generate a great atmosphere I;m sorry but I dont agree that they are a good bunch of lads, foul language, abuse, intimidation (I've been on the end of it). If my son (13) behaved like this in a few years time I would be horrified. As far as I am concerned Torquay United would be better off without them. So there!  |
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Post by aussie on Sept 9, 2010 5:48:02 GMT
I do not know anyone of them personally and I’m sure at heart they are a good bunch of lads who when they are at their best singing chants we are all happy to join in with can and do play such a big part in helping to generate a great atmosphere I;m sorry but I dont agree that they are a good bunch of lads, foul language, abuse, intimidation (I've been on the end of it). If my son (13) behaved like this in a few years time I would be horrified. As far as I am concerned Torquay United would be better off without them. So there! Got to back Ali up on that! |
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Post by ali on Sept 9, 2010 13:31:14 GMT
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Post by stefano on Sept 9, 2010 16:08:43 GMT
You lot are all happy to moan about the swearing etc, but then you feel the need to come on here and throw insults such as Retards, Idiots and Animals. You are just as pathetic. I work with children with mental health issues and I am sorry the word "Retard" is up there with "Paki" or "Niger", they should not be used. When Awayday appeared a couple of days ago with the above as the start of a much longer post I was in agreement with what is quoted, other than the term 'idiot' which really is common parlance and pretty much well describes them and does not allude despite it's origins to mental health issues, and I looked forward to some sensible debate on the subject. There was some sensible debate, but seemingly Awayday took umbrage to his overall views not being universally accepted and sulked off saying he could not be bothered if his words were going to be twisted all the time. Dave reviewed the post in the light of those comments and decided that there was no such twisting of what had been said, and explained it all sensibly and reasonably. Today I had a look at the other site (I was registered on the one that crashed) to see what it was like and noted that today Awayday has reported the said twisting of his words and referred to this site (nearly 800 members) as 'The Funny Farm'. Whilst I have seen others, a small number, on the other site use that expression to come from a person who works with children with mental health issues who took issue on his initial post about the use of insulting words is extreme double standards, and I am deeply offended by what he has written. 'The Funny Farm' is a commonly used expression to describe in an insulting way institutions and hospitals that deal with mental health issues, and I have some knowledge of that having a severely mentally disabled son (an adult now so an issue of many years standing). Awayday's initial posts interested me and I did think that he would be a lively new poster on here, but having come in by attacking the perceived use of insulting words on this forum and then only a couple of days later use the same type of insulting words on another forum makes one wonder if he just wanted to go on the attack for the sake of it rather than expressing his deeply held conviction. Nothing in this post is intended to reflect any criticism of the other Forum or it's members. The new site looks good and I wish Louis all the best with it. I know Dave that you do not accept criticism of the other site on here and I agree with that, as stated I am not criticising the other site but if you consider that this post is unacceptable then please feel free to delete it. I would not be offended by a deletion but I remain deeply offended by the assertion that I am a lunatic on a Funny Farm!! |
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Post by aussie on Sept 9, 2010 16:54:14 GMT
I might be a lunatic ;D but this is not a funny farm, we do have some people that could loosely be described as animals however, but that is a whole different story!  But seriously, posters from elsewhere that are used to a minority refering to us as `The Funny Farm` have probably come on here looking for what the minority call "being treated unfairly", looking for something that doesn`t actually exist but put into their heads before even finding out for themselves, so any disagreement on here with them would be seen as us ganging up on them, from their perspective anyway. Given a fresh and unbiased look at this site from awaydays and others like him and they would more than likely draw different conclusions to the ones they have drawn! I hope awaydays has another look and tries to see this place with an open mind and not one that has been tainted by the likes of Yellow and his bile! |
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Post by stefano on Sept 9, 2010 16:58:39 GMT
I might be a lunatic ;D but this is not a funny farm, we do have some people that could loosely be described as animals however, but that is a whole different story! But seriously, posters from elsewhere that are used to a minority refering to us as `The Funny Farm` have probably come on here looking for what the minority call "being treated unfairly", looking for something that doesn`t actually exist but put into their heads before even finding out for themselves, so any disagreement on here with them would be seen as us ganging up on them, from their perspective anyway. Given a fresh and unbiased look at this site from awaydays and others like him and they would more than likely draw different conclusions to the ones they have drawn! I hope awaydays has another look and tries to see this place with an open mind and not one that has been tainted by the likes of Yellow and his bile! Good post Aussie and I see your point completely. Hope I am not one of the 'animals' you were referring to!!! |
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Post by aussie on Sept 9, 2010 17:06:02 GMT
I might be a lunatic ;D but this is not a funny farm, we do have some people that could loosely be described as animals however, but that is a whole different story! But seriously, posters from elsewhere that are used to a minority refering to us as `The Funny Farm` have probably come on here looking for what the minority call "being treated unfairly", looking for something that doesn`t actually exist but put into their heads before even finding out for themselves, so any disagreement on here with them would be seen as us ganging up on them, from their perspective anyway. Given a fresh and unbiased look at this site from awaydays and others like him and they would more than likely draw different conclusions to the ones they have drawn! I hope awaydays has another look and tries to see this place with an open mind and not one that has been tainted by the likes of Yellow and his bile! Good post Aussie and I see your point completely. Hope I am not one of the 'animals' you were referring to!!! Animals Steve, not you mate unless you were in a band that you never told us about! I was kind of refering to myself but then that would be me complimenting myself I suppose, isn`t that frowned upon? ;D |
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Post by Dave on Sept 9, 2010 17:15:28 GMT
Stefano we have long been called the Funny Farm over there and if Louis wants his NEW FORUM carrying on where the other one left off being used to try and rubbish the TFF then that is up to him.
I have always taken the view we can find better things to talk about than just rubbishing the other forum and the best policy is just to ignore what they have to say over there.
I was told Louis got a little dig in on the TFF for being on proboards and not as he has now set up his new forum. From Mervo's last every archive until the 25th May 2008 all posts ever made on a TUFC forum has been lost for ever. From 25th May to last Sunday the only match reports, fans views can only be found on here and its another reason why it was a good job the TFF was set up when it was.
It makes perfect sense to have our forum in the hands of a company that hosts over 3.000.000 forums and it gives me great peace of mind while I'm working knowing that should this forum go down, Proboards will get it up and running in double quick time.
For your information awayday is a friend of Southamptongull and travels to games with him, not that makes any difference, but anyone can read the thread on here and would be hard pushed to see anyone twisting what he said.
Best to move on just let them say whatever they want about us, hard to believe we are all meant to be fans of the same club.
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Post by stefano on Sept 9, 2010 17:29:47 GMT
Best to move on just let them say whatever they want about us, hard to believe we are all meant to be fans of the same club. Dave Moving on swiftly now Dave  |
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But seriously, posters from elsewhere that are used to a minority refering to us as `The Funny Farm` have probably come on here looking for what the minority call "being treated unfairly", looking for something that doesn`t actually exist but put into their heads before even finding out for themselves, so any disagreement on here with them would be seen as us ganging up on them, from their perspective anyway. Given a fresh and unbiased look at this site from awaydays and others like him and they would more than likely draw different conclusions to the ones they have drawn! I hope awaydays has another look and tries to see this place with an open mind and not one that has been tainted by the likes of Yellow and his bile!